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    Quote Originally Posted by GloriaInTX View Post
    Ha nothing stings coming from you. I'm sure their feelings are real. Still doesn't mean they are born that way. Alcoholics have real feelings of despair from drinking too. Still a choice to drink. I never had to choose anything. I am a woman who is attracted to males as God designed. Anything else is against God's plan for the people he designed for each other. Funny I'm not the one who is trying to justify calling people names.

    Ah, so now being gay is an addiction, too. You know so much about it, its amazing.

    Its not coming from me, Gloria, its coming from Rick Warren, its him you are disobeying with your lack of compassion and your desire to take rights away from people.

    I'm not calling anyone names, I'm just explaining to Bonita what a bigot is since she can't grasp it. If the shoe fits, by all means, wear it. I'm not sure what's funny about anyone being a bigot, but we have clearly established in recent debates that we have a very different sense of humor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GloriaInTX View Post
    Ha nothing stings coming from you. I'm sure their feelings are real. Still doesn't mean they are born that way. Alcoholics have real feelings of despair from drinking too. Still a choice to drink. I never had to choose anything. I am a woman who is attracted to males as God designed. Anything else is against God's plan for the people he designed for each other. Funny I'm not the one who is trying to justify calling people names.
    You are a woman attracted to males. So how about the women who aren't attracted to males, who are attracted to other women? Alcoholics can stop drinking. Gay people can't stop being gay. (And no, being gay isn't just about having sex. You can be celibate and gay the same way people can be celibate and straight.)

    An alcoholic's despair is over drinking. A gay person's despair is over how they are treated by others.

    Seriously, Gloria, your information comes from a place of zero knowledge and zero compassion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by freddieflounder101 View Post
    You are a woman attracted to males. So how about the women who aren't attracted to males, who are attracted to other women? Alcoholics can stop drinking. Gay people can't stop being gay.
    Oh but you absolutely can. I can quote some testimonials if you want.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GloriaInTX View Post
    Oh but you absolutely can. I can quote some testimonials if you want.
    Gloria, it's simply not true. Some people make the decision (due to pressure from other people) to hide their true nature and carry on relationships with people of the opposite sex. That doesn't make it real. If they didn't have that pressure they'd have a shot at true happiness.

    And no comment on all the situations Melis brought up? Gay teens in particular have a very hard time because of people who believe what you do and don't want them to be themselves. People who are more violent and angry than you are make it dangerous for them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by freddieflounder101 View Post
    Gloria, it's simply not true. Some people make the decision (due to pressure from other people) to hide their true nature and carry on relationships with people of the opposite sex. That doesn't make it real. If they didn't have that pressure they'd have a shot at true happiness.

    And no comment on all the situations Melis brought up? Gay teens in particular have a very hard time because of people who believe what you do and don't want them to be themselves. People who are more violent and angry than you are make it dangerous for them.
    Of course all the testimonials from gay teens are true but the testimonials from those that have changed aren't. How convenient. I can't contol what other people do. People hurt other people for MANY reasons. I wouldn't call anyone who hurts or belittles anyone else a Christian so I'm not sure why I am responsible for what they do.

    And it has nothing to do with rights. I have no desire for anyone to have any more rights than anyone else. My only problem is with calling it a Marriage. Marriage is between a man and a woman. I have no control about the government conferring rights based on marriage and if I that ever came to a vote I would vote against it. But I will continue to stand by my convictions that marriage is between a male and female as Jesus described it. Just as homosexuality is called a sin just like any other sin. No worse no better than any other sin. If two women want to live together in a platonic relationship like you mentioned I have no problem with that. The act of sex between the same sex it what is a sin, loving another person is never a sin. Homosexuality is a sexual sin. Without the act there is no sin.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Potter75 View Post

    I'm not calling anyone names, I'm just explaining to Bonita what a bigot is since she can't grasp it. If the shoe fits, by all means, wear it. I'm not sure what's funny about anyone being a bigot, but we have clearly established in recent debates that we have a very different sense of humor.
    A term can be technically accurate, and still not be appropriate on a public forum. Calling someone with unwed parents might technically be a Bast*rd, but it still would be derogatory and inappropriate to call them such.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GloriaInTX View Post
    The act of sex between the same sex it what is a sin, loving another person is never a sin. Homosexuality is a sexual sin. Without the act there is no sin.
    So if two men are in love and become a couple but don't have sex. . ..no sin?

    What if they raise a child together and treat each other as spouses? No sin? It's just about the sexual act?

    Because, my friend, homosexuality is NOT just about the sexual act. Most gay people I know knew when they were kids that they were gay, long before they wanted or were ready for sex. . .the same way I knew I was heterosexual.
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    I love Jesus don't get me wrong but I can't support writing laws and deciding on who gets what rights in a country that has no official religion. Most countries that do scare the crap out of me and I don't want to be one of them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jessica80 View Post
    I love Jesus don't get me wrong but I can't support writing laws and deciding on who gets what rights in a country that has no official religion. Most countries that do scare the crap out of me and I don't want to be one of them.
    Sorry--- you do not believe in the same Jesus I do.. You can NOT love someone and call them LORD and not believe in what they say.. How can you love a Jesus that says to lust after a woman in his heart is guilty of sin, and there for ETERNAL burning in hell... and not believe what he says? Same goes for homosexual relationships.
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    Quote Originally Posted by freddieflounder101 View Post
    So if two men are in love and become a couple but don't have sex. . ..no sin?

    What if they raise a child together and treat each other as spouses? No sin? It's just about the sexual act?

    Because, my friend, homosexuality is NOT just about the sexual act. Most gay people I know knew when they were kids that they were gay, long before they wanted or were ready for sex. . .the same way I knew I was heterosexual.
    I can only tell you what the Bible states because that is what I follow. I have never seen a verse saying it is wrong for anyone to love anyone else. So no if they are not having sex it is not sin. (Though if they are thinking sexual thoughts about each other it is really the same thing as having sex so that could be sinful) Paul clearly states here though that sexual acts between the same sex ARE sin along with greed, malice, disobeying your parents, and a whole list of other things. If others want to disregard what it says or pick and choose the parts of the Bible they want to follow that is on them, but I really don't see how it could be interpreted any other way. Paul even says it is wrong to approve of those who practice these things.

    Romans 1:24 Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. 25 They exchanged the truth about God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen.

    26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. 27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.

    28 Furthermore, just as they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, so God gave them over to a depraved mind, so that they do what ought not to be done. 29 They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips, 30 slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; 31 they have no understanding, no fidelity, no love, no mercy. 32 Although they know God’s righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them.
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