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    Quote Originally Posted by GloriaInTX View Post
    Of course all the testimonials from gay teens are true but the testimonials from those that have changed aren't. How convenient. I can't contol what other people do. People hurt other people for MANY reasons. I wouldn't call anyone who hurts or belittles anyone else a Christian so I'm not sure why I am responsible for what they do.

    And it has nothing to do with rights. I have no desire for anyone to have any more rights than anyone else. My only problem is with calling it a Marriage. Marriage is between a man and a woman. I have no control about the government conferring rights based on marriage and if I that ever came to a vote I would vote against it. But I will continue to stand by my convictions that marriage is between a male and female as Jesus described it. Just as homosexuality is called a sin just like any other sin. No worse no better than any other sin. If two women want to live together in a platonic relationship like you mentioned I have no problem with that. The act of sex between the same sex it what is a sin, loving another person is never a sin. Homosexuality is a sexual sin. Without the act there is no sin.
    I agree Gloria - But our society terms LOVE very differently than the Bible, or even the apostles.. seems there is NO love without lust anymore..

    FOR EVERYONE ELSE - And YES for those wondering LUST is the same as adultery, and yes just as punishable as a sin as homosexuality. And lusting regardless of same or opposite genders is a sin... Sorry to break it to everyone, but God isn't a pet we can put in our pocket.. Jesus is God and was found sinless, in order to be sacrificed for us.. OUR sins.. Yours mine, everyones.. Whether you choose to believe something is sin or not, that is on you... but PLEASE spare the rest of us that do follow what Jesus taught and do not call yourself a follower of Christ.
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    Okay but....straight man lusts for straight woman. Sin. He's allowed to marry her though.

    Gay man lusts for gay man. Sin. He's not allowed to marry him.

    Celibate marriage okay for both?

    Just trying to get clear on all this.

    And let's not start talking about how you can't pick & choose from the Bible, because everybody does it and the theological scholars among us (Robin where are you?) can give you many passages you don't follow.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rivergallery View Post
    Sorry--- you do not believe in the same Jesus I do.. You can NOT love someone and call them LORD and not believe in what they say.. How can you love a Jesus that says to lust after a woman in his heart is guilty of sin, and there for ETERNAL burning in hell... and not believe what he says? Same goes for homosexual relationships.
    Oh Please, Paul wasn't even fond of Marriage for hetero's and basically only condoned it in cases where people couldn't control their lust. Like you and your husband, I guess. He wanted everyone wed to the church and the cause first and foremost. Base desires like those of the flesh were to be cast aside in the furthering of the message. For those to weak and carnal to do so, marriage was a last resort, and out. NOT some goal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AlyssaEimers View Post
    A term can be technically accurate, and still not be appropriate on a public forum. Calling someone with unwed parents might technically be a Bast*rd, but it still would be derogatory and inappropriate to call them such.
    You think? A person has a choice as to whether or not they are a bigot. If you don't want to be called one, don't be one. Its quite simple. People don't have a choice about being things like black (or the horrible word for that), or mentally challenged (or the horrible word for that), or born out of wedlock (or a "bastard" as you say). But a bigot? You could change that tomorrow (or even today!). If you don't want to, I don't want to stop calling you one and I don't care about your delicate sensibilities surrounding the word any more than you care about the people you choose to dehumanize and take rights away from. You change, and I promise from the bottom of my heart, never again will I call you a bigot, because you won't be! Its quite simple.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Potter75 View Post
    Oh Please, Paul wasn't even fond of Marriage for hetero's and basically only condoned it in cases where people couldn't control their lust. Like you and your husband, I guess. He wanted everyone wed to the church and the cause first and foremost. Base desires like those of the flesh were to be cast aside in the furthering of the message. For those to weak and carnal to do so, marriage was a last resort, and out. NOT some goal.
    Paul has a very important POINT in his teaching against marriage.. You are dividing your loyalty. It is no longer just you and the LORD anymore.. you have a spouse to support (men) or be subject to (women).. It is better not to have another person to come between you and the LORD.. and I totally agree, being married is way harder than not.. when trying to serve the LORD.
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    Quote Originally Posted by freddieflounder101 View Post
    Okay but....straight man lusts for straight woman. Sin. He's allowed to marry her though.

    Gay man lusts for gay man. Sin. He's not allowed to marry him.

    Celibate marriage okay for both?

    Just trying to get clear on all this.

    And let's not start talking about how you can't pick & choose from the Bible, because everybody does it and the theological scholars among us (Robin where are you?) can give you many passages you don't follow.
    From the beginning of the Bible sexual relations between the same gender was always worse than that between different genders... yes men women sexual relations necessitated a marriage.. but many historical figured took concubines, or second wives, though they were disciplined for it. What I am saying is You are reading us correctly, that Homeosexual SEX, and heterosexual SEX are viewed differently by the GOD of the Bible, in both the OLD and NEW Testaments. Lust is always a sin... Sex outside of a male female marriage is a sin... But homosexuality in the OT was something worse for sure.. God destroyed Sodom and Gommorah for just such things among others.. and when men came to Lot's door.. for Homosexual relations he tried to give these evil men his daughters to have sex with! And he was a man the LORD spared, and did not destroy him.. of only two families saved out of those towns.
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    not sure what your point is. I'm just saying paul wasn't fond of marriage but was saying if you couldn't control your carnal lust it was better to get married than to sin. At least he recognized that GOd created us with a ton of carnal lust. Unlike Gloria, who just wants everyone who god made gay to just sit on their hands and live lonely long asexual lives stifling all of that carnal lust god made us with. Pretty mean of god, huh?

    How can you love a Jesus that says to lust after a woman in his heart is guilty of sin, and there for ETERNAL burning in hell... and not believe what he says? Same goes for homosexual relationships.

    The bolded is yours. If you admit that you follow Pauls teachings/the Bible and you are married, you must have lusted in your heart. If we follow this to its logical conclusion, you are there in hell for eternal burning? Or are you just not presenting this right? Sometimes you ramble a little, maybe you have a migrane?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Potter75 View Post
    not sure what your point is. I'm just saying paul wasn't fond of marriage but was saying if you couldn't control your carnal lust it was better to get married than to sin. At least he recognized that GOd created us with a ton of carnal lust. Unlike Gloria, who just wants everyone who god made gay to just sit on their hands and live lonely long asexual lives stifling all of that carnal lust god made us with. Pretty mean of god, huh?

    How can you love a Jesus that says to lust after a woman in his heart is guilty of sin, and there for ETERNAL burning in hell... and not believe what he says? Same goes for homosexual relationships.

    The bolded is yours. If you admit that you follow Pauls teachings/the Bible and you are married, you must have lusted in your heart. If we follow this to its logical conclusion, you are there in hell for eternal burning? Or are you just not presenting this right? Sometimes you ramble a little, maybe you have a migrane?
    Rude much --- again you pull personal issues to try and bolster your side of the debate.. guess the name calling didn't work. My homeschooling my kids didn't work well enough for you to bring it up in this debate? Just knock it off Potter seriously!

    OF COURSE we are all sentenced to eternal damnation! Why do you think Jesus came?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rivergallery View Post
    Rude much --- again you pull personal issues to try and bolster your side of the debate.. guess the name calling didn't work. My homeschooling my kids didn't work well enough for you to bring it up in this debate? Just knock it off Potter seriously!

    OF COURSE we are all sentenced to eternal damnation! Why do you think Jesus came?
    Its not rude, you frequently bring up your migranes and I thought maybe that was why we were having a hard time following you. You bringing up your eternal damnation for lusting threw me if you then say we are all eternally damned just for existing. In the face of that who cares why you or I are damned, we are all damned, right? See, thats why I don't care about why gay people are damned. That is between them and God. Just like a thief is damned for theivery, you are damned for your lust, or whatever. Were all goin down, right? Without salvation? So why all this focus on the sin instead of the salvation? Let people sin, for pete's sake, YOU aren't charged with saving them, only Christ can do that. I don't worry about what is only for the sinner to worry about. God freed me from that by flat out TELLING me that he judges, not me. Such a relief!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rivergallery View Post
    Rude much --- again you pull personal issues to try and bolster your side of the debate.. guess the name calling didn't work. My homeschooling my kids didn't work well enough for you to bring it up in this debate? Just knock it off Potter seriously!

    OF COURSE we are all sentenced to eternal damnation! Why do you think Jesus came?
    I don't even know what eternal damnation means so please don't throw in we are all sentenced there. Only you and others who believe in that will. Not me.

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