Thread: Boy Scouts Tp (Possibly) End Homosexual Ban

Originally Posted by KimPossible

This isn't really accurate. The Catholic Church doesn't believe in divorce at all, in case of adultery either. Its an annulment, which is different from a divorce....in definition even though the result is similar. And you can get one for a lot more reasons than simply adultery.

Like for being a Kardashian

Originally Posted by KimPossible

This isn't really accurate. The Catholic Church doesn't believe in divorce at all, in case of adultery either. Its an annulment, which is different from a divorce....in definition even though the result is similar. And you can get one for a lot more reasons than simply adultery.

But it doesn't matter because no state should be run on the rules of one religion. Not Gloria's religion of convenience, not Catholicism, not Buddhism. If someone believes in Christian free will they should not fight against laws that might be against their religious code.

Originally Posted by Potter75

Like for being a Kardashian

I know so little about the Kardashians...did one of them get an annulment?

But it doesn't matter because no state should be run on the rules of one religion. Not Gloria's religion of convenience, not Catholicism, not Buddhism. If someone believes in Christian free will they should not fight against laws that might be against their religious code.

Oh i agree, that was more of an "FYI"....figured it was worth pointing out even though its not specific to any debate argument.

But honestly the whole annulment thing, you would think Catholics, of all people would understand clearly two things

1)That there is a difference between a legal wedding and a religious one (because you can get a legal divorce, but will still need to get a Catholic annulment if you want to remarry again in the Catholic church)

and

2)You can practice your own faith and apply it to yourself without making everyone else do the same.

For example, i don't feel threatened in any way as a Catholic because other people can get divorces. An annulment is a perfect example of why homosexual marriage should be able to exist the same way divorces do. How people can practice their religions without trying to make them law.

And last i checked there are a billion Catholics in the world and it still makes news when we have a change in leadership, its not like the whole world started divorcing and now there are no more Catholics, and they can still get annulments for their Catholic weddings.....so it seems that some people can practice their religion and other people can practice theirs and it all works out just fine!

I mean i suppose judgement day could come and God will tell me that I'm going to hell and the reason is because I believed divorce was okay..and I'll say "But why God? I never got a divorce....i totally believe in annulments' and then God will say "Yes but OTHER people got a divorce, so obviously that means you believe in divorces too, go to hell now"

That sure sounds silly to worry about though doesn't it.

Originally Posted by Potter75

It means RIvergallery thinks that you and your son are going to burn in the fires of hell for all of eternity. She would have because she was filled with lust but she apparently asked for forgiveness and lusts no more so she is off the hook. I'm going because I wear bikinis. Good thing as I hear its hella hot down there so a one piece would never do!

Potter - it is very sad that you really just have no clue as to what I actually believe nor why, but will continue to mock..

Originally Posted by Rivergallery

Potter - it is very sad that you really just have no clue as to what I actually believe nor why, but will continue to mock..

Hey man, I was just trying to help Deniz out. I was working off of this material you provided us with:

OF COURSE we are all sentenced to eternal damnation!

If I misunderstood you and you want to clarify our death sentence, go for it! I do know you don't like bikinis. You made that clear I do find that sad. So we can call the sorrow even and keep on truckin, sister.

Originally Posted by blather

But it doesn't matter because no state should be run on the rules of one religion. Not Gloria's religion of convenience, not Catholicism, not Buddhism. If someone believes in Christian free will they should not fight against laws that might be against their religious code.

This is one of the most convoluted views on free will I have ever heard... Everyone has free will so we do nothing? What about my free will to stop it?

What is convoluted? You do what's best for you, I do what's best for me. It's the premise of the entire US constitution.

If you want to stop doing something, stop it. If you realize that your religion is immoral, quit. Easy peasy. You do not have the power to force a Buddhist to quit her religion.

I think it's more about recognizing that one's religion shouldn't impact laws that are supposed to affect everybody, both inside and outside your religion. For example, many religions have strict dietary laws. That doesn't mean it's morally right to make laws so that everybody has to follow them.

The anti-gay view is specific to certain beliefs, it's not universal by a longshot. It's not even universal to Christians, as so many do not believe there is anything wrong with homosexuality. So I don't understand thinking that that is a reasonable way to make laws. Adultery is a sin; should we make it a crime? Why stop gay people from getting married? How does it threaten your beliefs in any way? How can you justify it when the other "rules" of your religion (as you interpret them) are not laws and shouldn't be?

That's the disconnect, to me. How can you truly believe it's fair and right that your specific beliefs should dictate what others can do when those actions they take will not harm or affect you, or anyone, in any way whatsoever?

I would love to hear an argument from one of the anti-gay marriage folks in response to my post above. (That sounds so narcissistic!) But I'd like to hear a moral argument for making laws based one someone's individual beliefs that are not shared by the rest of society OR even by everyone in their religion, especially when it would not actually affect anyone else or harm anyone. Is there any compelling argument that makes sense? I think the dietary laws example works nicely, if you're Jewish and don't mix milk & meat, do you think that should be the law in America?

Originally Posted by freddieflounder101

I would love to hear an argument from one of the anti-gay marriage folks in response to my post above. (That sounds so narcissistic!) But I'd like to hear a moral argument for making laws based one someone's individual beliefs that are not shared by the rest of society OR even by everyone in their religion, especially when it would not actually affect anyone else or harm anyone. Is there any compelling argument that makes sense? I think the dietary laws example works nicely, if you're Jewish and don't mix milk & meat, do you think that should be the law in America?

Because I think that traditional families are better for society, and a breakdown and redefining of marriage will hurt that family structure. There is already a war against traditional families with easy divorce and people choosing to live together and have children without being married. Children need a mother and a father. Even though your parents went their seperate ways you still had a mother and a father. Once the definition of marriage has changed, gay partnerships will be seen as the eqivalent to mother/father families and adoption agencies won't even be able to give preference to homes with a mother and a father, which is why Catholic adoption services had to completely shut down in Mass.

This blogger wrote a good article on it
Why Gay Marriage Is a Bad Idea