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    Quote Originally Posted by GloriaInTX View Post
    Because I think that traditional families are better for society, and a breakdown and redefining of marriage will hurt that family structure. There is already a war against traditional families with easy divorce and people choosing to live together and have children without being married. Children need a mother and a father. Even though your parents went their seperate ways you still had a mother and a father.
    First of all, every child has a biological mother and father, no matter what. When parents go separate ways...sometimes all they amount to is a biological parent and nothing else.

    This is a terribly poor argument for making gay marriage illegal, because all the examples you have given of 'hurting family structure' are LEGAL.

    You have provided no grounds for making gay marriage illegal.

    Not to mention I think you lack anything remotely like definitive (emphasis on definitive) proof that gay marriage and adoption hurts anyone in ways that anything legal already does not.

    ETA: Plus i think its hard to make anything illegal based on it being an extremely indirect cause of harm. ...if any exists at all.
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    Agreed with Kim. We still have plenty of adoptions here in Mass. still without the Catholic agencies. And to same sex couples! Who are married! And typically those kids are more well adjusted and do superb at school compared to kids in "traditional" families. Why? Gay couples do not have "accidental" pregnancies and go into it with a lot of thought and time and are typically more well off and older when pursuing it. So their kids have more time, patience and extra things like dance classes and camps etc.

    My friends who are gay and in committed relationships are no different than when I was dating my husband or when we got married. They own homes. They make dinner. They go to Home Depot on the weekends. They buy jeans. They work with me. It's so awesome.

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    And Gloria~I'll admit...10-12 years ago I felt almost similar. I didn't actively stop it but I had doubts on same sex couples raise children. I wondered what it was like to not have the other sex parent. But I've seen mostly good things (some parents just suck and some kids are just different to raise in any family) that I those doubts are gone.

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    This is what i think. I think if you argument is based on 'traditional families are better for society'

    then that is what you have to attempt to enforce. And traditional family is bio mom + bio dad + bio children. You don't get to pick 'this non traditional family is okay' 'this non traditional family isn't' Because that most definitely is descrimination. I mean....to enforce a traditional family only law would be descrimination anyway...but to pick and choose one non-traditional family over another when the argument is supposedly "it shoudl be illegal because traditional is best" is even more blatantly flawed.

    And you know, i think lots of things are better for society, but that doesn't mean that the alternatives should be outlawed. I think living in smaller houses is better for society. I think eating seasonaly and locally is better for society. I think having families with only two or less children is better for soceity.

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    I agree with Kim. I also think the term "war against traditional families" as defined by Gloria is a really interesting statement. All of the things listed are not things that an outside party does to a "traditional family." For example, an outside party does not force a traditional family to get a divorce, or to have children outside of wedlock, or whatever. Those are all things that individual families choose for themselves. Is the thinking that traditional families are at war with themselves, since no outside force is forcing them to do these things?
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    Yeah seriously. What war.

    Maybe the ones of us who have traditional families on this thread should have a heart to heart and talk about all the obstacles that we had to overcome to become one. It would be therapeutic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GloriaInTX View Post
    Because I think that traditional families are better for society, and a breakdown and redefining of marriage will hurt that family structure. There is already a war against traditional families with easy divorce and people choosing to live together and have children without being married. Children need a mother and a father. Even though your parents went their seperate ways you still had a mother and a father. Once the definition of marriage has changed, gay partnerships will be seen as the eqivalent to mother/father families and adoption agencies won't even be able to give preference to homes with a mother and a father, which is why Catholic adoption services had to completely shut down in Mass.

    This blogger wrote a good article on it
    Why Gay Marriage Is a Bad Idea

    Lets be clear and not lie please. They didn't have to shut down, they CHOSE to shut down, because they weren't allowed to be bigots in Mass and they didn't like it. Big difference! And I'm with Kim ~ how about the people with traditional marriages talk about it rather than those who don't have them preach to us about it? Frankly I think that these people List of scandals involving American evangelical Christians - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    are way more threatening to marriage than some gay couple looking to marry, own a home, and raise some children within the confines of marriage.

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    Every person on earth benefits from having both male and female influences in their lives. In no way does that lead to the conclusion that gay marriage or parenting is a bad idea! It doesn't connect. I think kids benefit tremendously from having a parent at home with them but I don't think that should be the law and I don't think it's the only way to raise happy healthy children. I don't even do it myself because my own happiness (which affects my children) has motivated me to be in the workplace.

    Children need loving parents. Gay or straight. Doesn't matter. And if gay people get married and don't have kids there's no argument for that one anymore.

    And the idea that someone else's marriage affects yours is ludicrous. Do my parenting choices affect you in any way?

    Some people have open marriages. I find that distasteful and it certainly goes against the moral choices I make for myself. But do I think it should be illegal? Do I think it harms me? Do I think others shouldn't do it simply because I don't like it? No.

    We are back to no logical moral argument against it for those who believe in democracy and freedom. Seriously.
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    Quote Originally Posted by freddieflounder101 View Post
    We are back to no logical moral argument against it for those who believe in democracy and freedom. Seriously.
    Yes we are back to the fact that we have different opinions about what is a logical moral argument against it. Don't think that is going to change.
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    I just read your blog post, Gloria. To be honest, it made be throw up in my mouth. Gross.

    Many things stick out to me from that post that you think so eloquently stated your views, but here are just a few:
    1. Your blogger is HORRIBLY confused about causation and correlation. Horribly. She is drawing conclusions without the evidence to show that the breakdown of the traditional family is the CAUSE of the higher prison population, and drug use and violence--messed up.
    2. Your blogger is very confused by comparing single parent families with two parent families. The data does not support her assertions.
    3. Does your blogger really assert that mothers need "oxytocin" to bond with their children? Hello adoption. What does she think of that?

    Your going to have to find some authentic data if you hope to convince others of your viewpoint.
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