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    Quote Originally Posted by AlyssaEimers View Post
    My willpower has faltered... I so badly wish the Government would step out of marriage all together. Everyone had the right to whatever civil union they wanted. No tax benefits for marriage. Everyone could have one other adult and their children on their insurance, and their living will dictated who was their next of kin was and who could visit them in the hospital. End of the controversy. Everyone lived their life as they wanted to and the Government did not have to get involved.

    Que the argument "Then why are you married?"
    But I want my non-religious marriage. I didn't do it for tax benefits.
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    Quote Originally Posted by freddieflounder101 View Post
    But I want my non-religious marriage. I didn't do it for tax benefits.
    Me too.

    if you don't want the government "involved" in your marriage, don't file a marriage certificate. It really IS that easy. But you don't get to take it away from the rest of us, and I don't even know why you would want to. You already have the freedom to have a "religious only" marriage if that's what you want, so I don't get why you "keep the state out of marriage" types don't just go for it and do what you want, and leave the rest of us to do what we want. *shrug*
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jessica80 View Post
    No there isn't. How is it that you are okay with using those items without the Bible telling you you can but this is okay? It's not in there so how would know if Jesus was cool with them?

    I don't follow the Bible as my life guide so I'm cool with cars and planes.
    Well Jesus said that we shouldn't be worried about mundane things such as what we eat or drink so I'm pretty sure that riding in a car or plane wouldn't be on his list of things we should worry about either.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alissa_Sal View Post
    Me too.

    if you don't want the government "involved" in your marriage, don't file a marriage certificate. It really IS that easy. But you don't get to take it away from the rest of us, and I don't even know why you would want to. You already have the freedom to have a "religious only" marriage if that's what you want, so I don't get why you "keep the state out of marriage" types don't just go for it and do what you want, and leave the rest of us to do what we want. *shrug*
    Quote Originally Posted by freddieflounder101 View Post
    But I want my non-religious marriage. I didn't do it for tax benefits.
    Not at all trying to be snide, I truly am curious. (It is personal, so feel free not to answer) What reason did you get married that would not be accomplished in a civil service that would not be taxes or other legal reasons?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rivergallery View Post
    "I don't follow the Bible as my life guide"... equals "I love Jesus"?///// Jesus is the WORD.. girl John 1:1.
    No I don't use a book that has allowed others to discriminate and be evil to others in the name of the God and Jesus I love to run my life. I think it has been mixed up with all other crud over time and is not even near what it should be. I follow in Jesus' footsteps of helping others, trying not to judge, treating others as I want to be treated, loving all of my fellow men and women that HE has created and understanding that God never makes mistakes.

    Gloria~lets all get swords then! That would be interesting wouldn't it? We shouldn't worry about mundane things ....as in not to worry about earthly affairs vs. heavenly affairs...correct? Then same sex marriage would be mundane. It's an earthly affair. Around here it is common!

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlyssaEimers View Post
    Not at all trying to be snide, I truly am curious. (It is personal, so feel free not to answer) What reason did you get married that would not be accomplished in a civil service that would not be taxes or other legal reasons?
    I'm not really sure what you're asking. I was married in a civil service. My DH and I were married outside in the mountains by a CO state magistrate. It was a civil service. Having said that, it was also a ceremony that affirmed our commitment to each other and the coming together of our families, like any other marriage. My parents and DH's parents consider each other family because of the family that he and I have built. Our wedding ceremony was very much a public declaration and celebration of that commitment to be a family. We didn't get married for the rights it entailed. We filed a marriage certificate for the rights that bestows, just like any of you. But we got married because we love each other and wanted to create a family. That's not so hard to understand, is it?
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    Same here. We got married because we wanted an "official" family, there's something beautiful and permanent about marriage that has nothing to do with religion. It has tremendous meaning for me. We created a family together (even before we had kids) by getting married, pledging our love and eternal devotion to each other in front of our nearest & dearest. (We had a very small wedding.) We LOVE being married. It means a lot to me to be a wife and for Dave to be my husband. He's not my boyfriend or my civil union guy or my partner. . .he's my husband, forever and ever.

    It's the same way I have morality and believe in good and bad, right and wrong, without religion. It took my husband a while to understand that as his comes from God and the Bible, but now he understands. (He is also pro-gay marriage, and he reads the Bible a lot and goes to church and participates in services.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alissa_Sal View Post
    I'm not really sure what you're asking. I was married in a civil service. My DH and I were married outside in the mountains by a CO state magistrate. It was a civil service. Having said that, it was also a ceremony that affirmed our commitment to each other and the coming together of our families, like any other marriage. My parents and DH's parents consider each other family because of the family that he and I have built. Our wedding ceremony was very much a public declaration and celebration of that commitment to be a family. We didn't get married for the rights it entailed. We filed a marriage certificate for the rights that bestows, just like any of you. But we got married because we love each other and wanted to create a family. That's not so hard to understand, is it?
    See now I think everyone should be able have a loving service in front of their friends and family if they want to. It is not necessary for the government to become involved. If you took the Government out of it, there would not be any controversy. Everyone would be treated the same. People that did not chose to enter into a union of any kind would not be discriminated against, and people who wanted a same sex marriage would not be discriminated against, and neither would heterosexual couples.

    What I meant, was what is the purpose for the Government to be involved if it is not for taxes and other legal rights. What is accomplished in a service with a legal marriage certificate that is not accomplished in a service without one, other than tax benefits and Next of kin status?

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    Quote Originally Posted by freddieflounder101 View Post
    Same here. We got married because we wanted an "official" family, there's something beautiful and permanent about marriage that has nothing to do with religion. It has tremendous meaning for me. We created a family together (even before we had kids) by getting married, pledging our love and eternal devotion to each other in front of our nearest & dearest. (We had a very small wedding.) We LOVE being married. It means a lot to me to be a wife and for Dave to be my husband. He's not my boyfriend or my civil union guy or my partner. . .he's my husband, forever and ever.

    It's the same way I have morality and believe in good and bad, right and wrong, without religion. It took my husband a while to understand that as his comes from God and the Bible, but now he understands. (He is also pro-gay marriage, and he reads the Bible a lot and goes to church and participates in services.)
    I am not saying take away marriage. I love being married! I am saying to take the Government out of marriage. Then there would be no Government imposed rules.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AlyssaEimers View Post
    I am not saying take away marriage. I love being married! I am saying to take the Government out of marriage. Then there would be no Government imposed rules.
    Then where would my marriage come from? I'm not religious at all, I would not agree to be married in a place of worship or by someone associated with one. Where else does my marriage exist? Government sanctions marriage to integrate it into our civilized society. These are the rules we all agree to, they come from government. I would say instead that the religious people who want government out of it should skip legal marriage and only do church/religious marriages. If it doesn't matter to you that it's recognized by the government then skip that part. It DOES matter to me that it's a legal marriage, recognized by the government and the society I live in. (I hope my tone is coming across okay...don't mean to sound belligerent about people who have religious marriage.)
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