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    Quote Originally Posted by AlyssaEimers View Post
    What are the legal elements of marriage that you see? (Just so we are debating on the same topics) The main points that I have seen through their relationship is not being able to visit in the hospital in case of an emergency, insurance, and a tax break. In NY (where he lives) there is and insurance option that says significant other so for him, that is not an issue. I am saying if you were able state who you wanted to be your next of kin, chose who was on your health insurance, and there was no tax break, it would level the field for everyone. You could have whatever kind of wedding you wanted or didn't want, Gay, Straight, Co-habitat, Widowed, Divorced, or Whatever, and everyone got the same rights. There is this huge uproar over a small part of the population not included in marriage, when there are tons of others that are not included either.
    I was thinking of the very basic stuff. You're officially husband and wife, your spouse is your next of kin, when you have children you are both the parents, etc. Now many of these things are just as available to couples who live together or they can create legal paperwork to do the same. That's great! Doesn't mean I want someone taking away my right to get married.

    Insurance is now open to people who live together in most places. People who choose not to get married can create legal documents to cover all the things they want that married people get, so they are not being deprived of any rights.

    I guess I don't understand why gay marriage is such a big deal that the only solution is to throw away the existing marriage. I'm not religious, my marriage is two things: 1, an agreement and commitment I made with my husband, to each other and to our families, and 2, a legal union acknowledged by the State. If we'd wanted a civil union I could have done that but we didn't; we wanted a MARRIAGE. I wanted to be a legal wife. I don't want the government out of marriage.

    But I don't want the church or synagogue IN my marriage. I would never marry in a house of worship.

    But again . . . if the government can't grant marriage, then who other than religion can?

    And honestly, this part I don't understand:
    You could have whatever kind of wedding you wanted or didn't want, Gay, Straight, Co-habitat, Widowed, Divorced, or Whatever, and everyone got the same rights. There is this huge uproar over a small part of the population not included in marriage, when there are tons of others that are not included either.
    Right now we have that. Everybody in that group is covered EXCEPT gay. The others who aren't included that you're speaking of are people who could get married but chose not to because it has no meaning for them (or has a negative meaning). But other than that, the easier thing is to give marriage to gay people, not take it away from everyone else on that list.

    I just think that some people (not you!) think they own the term marriage and get to define it. That group is shrinking as state by state gay marriage laws pass. They will soon discover how little impact it has on them or their beliefs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AlyssaEimers View Post
    You are leaving out the people who never found someone to love, or have a fundamental disbelief in marriage. It is no different to say "All people have the right to get married, so a gay person should just marry a person of the opposite gender even if they do not love them", then it is to say we are going to give a tax break to everyone that gets married because "Everyone can get married to someone even if they do not love them".

    I am close to someone who has a fundamental disbelief in marriage. He has lived with the same person for at least 14 years and has 2 children with her. They are every bit as much a family as my DH and I. Why should he not be able to have the same rights as my DH? What about a widow that has been married for 40 years then her husband died?
    This just does not make any sense. By you having children are you discriminating against the childless? This man has the RIGHT to marry, he simply chooses not to exercise that right. Gay people do not have that choice because people actively work to deny them RIGHTS.

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    As far as right associated with marriage.
    Everyone should be able to designate one person to have the "rights" the state gives to a married couple. Visitation, ability to determine end of life and sustainability, inheritance, insurance etc.

    Marriage itself shouldn't and needn't change in definition if "rights" is the issue we are discussing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jessica80 View Post
    It doesn't matter to me if you think that it's sad. That doesn't bother me. I am very comfortable with my relationship with God and Jesus and the path that I'm following to reach them. My spirituality is just that. MINE. Yours is YOURS. The difference is I don't use my feelings and my faith to stop anyone from having the same rights that I do. If I'm wrong ...it's my problem to deal with isn't it? Not yours.

    Although, I don't think anyone of us is wrong. We're just on different paths.
    Jesus thought some of "us" were wrong and their path led to hell... so again.. no you are NOT following Jesus. "I am the way the truth and the light... no one comes to the Father but through Me." Not sure how you can say you follow Jesus but the BIBLE is not the guide for your life....! Seriously find a different religion to malign.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rivergallery View Post
    As far as right associated with marriage.
    Everyone should be able to designate one person to have the "rights" the state gives to a married couple. Visitation, ability to determine end of life and sustainability, inheritance, insurance etc.

    Marriage itself shouldn't and needn't change in definition if "rights" is the issue we are discussing.
    The RIGHT we are discussing is the right to get married.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rivergallery View Post
    Jesus thought some of "us" were wrong and their path led to hell... so again.. no you are NOT following Jesus. "I am the way the truth and the light... no one comes to the Father but through Me." Not sure how you can say you follow Jesus but the BIBLE is not the guide for your life....! Seriously find a different religion to malign.

    Yeah Jess

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    Question for those who think civil unions solve the problem. Would that be enough for you? Would you be willing to give up your marriage and just be in a civil union? You'd get all the tax breaks & health care proxies & whatnot. Would that do it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rivergallery View Post
    Jesus thought some of "us" were wrong and their path led to hell... so again.. no you are NOT following Jesus. "I am the way the truth and the light... no one comes to the Father but through Me." Not sure how you can say you follow Jesus but the BIBLE is not the guide for your life....! Seriously find a different religion to malign.
    Who do you think you are to tell someone to follow another religion?! Sh*t just got real.. Wow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mommytoMR.FACE View Post
    Who do you think you are to tell someone to follow another religion?! Sh*t just got real.. Wow.
    Nope.. she IS already following a different religion and she said so herself.

    If you are a Christian you follow Christ. His is the WORD. If you follow Christ you follow the BIBLE.. It is like someone saying I am a Mormon but do not follow the Book of Mormon.. Or I am a Muslim but do not follow or believe in the Koran, nor Muhammad. It is like saying I am a Buddhist but do not follow what Buddha stood for or said.. etc etc.. She herself is saying she is a Christian but is not using the Bible as a basis for her life.
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    Quote Originally Posted by freddieflounder101 View Post
    Question for those who think civil unions solve the problem. Would that be enough for you? Would you be willing to give up your marriage and just be in a civil union? You'd get all the tax breaks & health care proxies & whatnot. Would that do it?
    That would be fine with me.. I think the definition of the word does not need to be changed to get the rights and benefits that the state has ascribed to it.
    I think single people should be able to at 18 yo ascribe any one other person for these benefits, responsibilities.. whether it is a friend, family member, spouse, child (when you become elderly) etc.
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