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    Quote Originally Posted by Jessica80 View Post
    What do you mean by services? Non religious people have their marriage performed by a judge or JP what happens then?

    So you basically want to keep all people who can perform marriages be able to perform them, you don't want any licenses or certificates to say that it happened, and no tax benefits?
    That's the same as it is now I don't see why it seems so strange to you. The legal process now is seperate from the marriage ceremony. You don't even have to have a ceremony at all all you have to do is file the paperwork to be legally married. A friend of mine got married recently and they didn't even tell anyone they just went down and filed the paperwork and they were married. So it would be the same as it is now only it would be a legal partnership and could be between ANY 2 people. Whatever ceremony they wanted to have would be up to them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Potter75 View Post
    You guys are being purposely obtuse and rude to Jessica. Many, many different groups base pretty wildly different religions or interpretations of Christianity on the same Bible ~ You are acting like there is only one way to interpret it and you know that that is just ridiculous.

    It isn't "For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Rivergallery", so lets stop acting like it is.
    Jessica said she doesn't follow it so it doesn't matter what it says anyway to her... She is NOT basing her Christianity on interpretations of the Bible.. She isn't using the Bible as her basis! Her words not mine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GloriaInTX View Post
    That's the same as it is now I don't see why it seems so strange to you. The legal process now is seperate from the marriage ceremony. You don't even have to have a ceremony at all all you have to do is file the paperwork to be legally married. A friend of mine got married recently and they didn't even tell anyone they just went down and filed the paperwork and they were married. So it would be the same as it is now only it would be a legal partnership and could be between ANY 2 people. Whatever ceremony they wanted to have would be up to them.
    That's not the case in NY:

    There is no particular form or ceremony required except that the parties must state in the presence of an authorized public official or authorized member of the clergy and at least one other witness that each takes the other as his or her spouse. There is no minimum age for a witness. However, in selecting a witness, choose at least one person who you feel would be competent to testify in a court proceeding as to what he or she witnessed.
    Anyway, I'm not sure what this new "system" would accomplish. If it's the so-called tax breaks (which I've never seen) that rankle you, get rid of those.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rivergallery View Post
    Jessica said she doesn't follow it so it doesn't matter what it says anyway to her... She is NOT basing her Christianity on interpretations of the Bible.. She isn't using the Bible as her basis! Her words not mine.
    No, she said she doesn't live her life by the Bible. That is very different from not using the Bible or believing in its value.

    I know many devout Christians who read and study the Bible and have come to very different conclusions from the two of you. They even belong to churches who share their beliefs. Crazy, right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by GloriaInTX View Post
    That's the same as it is now I don't see why it seems so strange to you. The legal process now is seperate from the marriage ceremony. You don't even have to have a ceremony at all all you have to do is file the paperwork to be legally married. A friend of mine got married recently and they didn't even tell anyone they just went down and filed the paperwork and they were married. So it would be the same as it is now only it would be a legal partnership and could be between ANY 2 people. Whatever ceremony they wanted to have would be up to them.

    Yes. They are filing the paperwork with the GOVERNMENT. Marriage would still involve the government, and gay people could have it, is that what you are saying? You guys have totally lost me, and I'm not being snarky, I just really don't understand what you are talking about here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rivergallery View Post
    Jessica said she doesn't follow it so it doesn't matter what it says anyway to her... She is NOT basing her Christianity on interpretations of the Bible.. She isn't using the Bible as her basis! Her words not mine.

    I find it incredibly presumptions for you to tell anyone that they are or are not a christian, or to tell them to find a new religion. Perhaps you should just remember what Christ says about judging, and remember your place. You are not responsible for Jessica's soul, and frankly your approach is hardly christ like, so you can either continue to look ugly and be a terrible example of Christ, or you could just let it go.

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    I know...I am confused too. So what's the problem with gay people getting married if you guys don't think marriage matters all that much, which is where these posts are going?

    I believe you want the church/religion to own the term married and keep it from everyone else, and that's what you're driving at, leaving the rest of us heathens to have "whatever unions" we want, in our crazy madness, without letting us call it marriage.

    I'm so confused by this point of view.
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    I fully believe in marriage, and I also think heterosexuals have made an absolute mockery of the institute of marriage.

    When I say that I want government out of marriage I mean I want them to stop making laws regulating it. In my opinion marriage is between the adults, and for people like DH and I we invite Christ to be the center of our marriage. Government does not have the power to say who should and should not marry. Any adults that are consenting should be able to enter a union, and the government should honor what that relationship is. My grandmothers best friend lived with her cousin for over 30 years after both their husbands died in the war. But she could not make decisions when it came time for that, and she had to fight to keep the house they had both lived in. I do not believe they were lesbians (my grandmother swore they just didnt want to remarry) but they should have been able to go to the county and say "This is the person I want to be united with" and be done
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    Quote Originally Posted by GloriaInTX View Post
    That's the same as it is now I don't see why it seems so strange to you. The legal process now is seperate from the marriage ceremony. You don't even have to have a ceremony at all all you have to do is file the paperwork to be legally married. A friend of mine got married recently and they didn't even tell anyone they just went down and filed the paperwork and they were married. So it would be the same as it is now only it would be a legal partnership and could be between ANY 2 people. Whatever ceremony they wanted to have would be up to them.
    Even if I didn't have a religious ceremony we were required to state our intentions in front of someone that is sanctioned to perform weddings...let's say a JP for this example who would then file our paperwork and we would get a marriage certificate. Our priest was sanctioned and could file the paperwork so we didn't have to take 2 steps but it's not like we filed for a marriage license and sent it in saying we were all set. So there is still a ceremony just not a religious one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mom3girls View Post
    I fully believe in marriage, and I also think heterosexuals have made an absolute mockery of the institute of marriage.

    When I say that I want government out of marriage I mean I want them to stop making laws regulating it. In my opinion marriage is between the adults, and for people like DH and I we invite Christ to be the center of our marriage. Government does not have the power to say who should and should not marry. Any adults that are consenting should be able to enter a union, and the government should honor what that relationship is. My grandmothers best friend lived with her cousin for over 30 years after both their husbands died in the war. But she could not make decisions when it came time for that, and she had to fight to keep the house they had both lived in. I do not believe they were lesbians (my grandmother swore they just didnt want to remarry) but they should have been able to go to the county and say "This is the person I want to be united with" and be done
    This confuses me too. Did they not both have their name on the deed/mortgage? And you don't need to be married to have a living will or an advanced medical directive/health care declarations/durable power of attorney with a non spouse as the person appointed to make medical decisions for you.

    There are many vehicles in place for friends or family members to be able to care for friends or loved ones like in the above situation, thanks to the government. Lets assume that they were NOT lesbians, why on earth should they have had to get married to have their medical or financial needs taken care of? THAT would be making a mockery of marriage, you know?

    I love marriage! I love my marriage! My marriage is sacred. I'm grateful for both the religious and governmental/legal aspects of my marriage.

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