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    Quote Originally Posted by mom3girls View Post
    I fully believe in marriage, and I also think heterosexuals have made an absolute mockery of the institute of marriage.

    When I say that I want government out of marriage I mean I want them to stop making laws regulating it. In my opinion marriage is between the adults, and for people like DH and I we invite Christ to be the center of our marriage. Government does not have the power to say who should and should not marry. Any adults that are consenting should be able to enter a union, and the government should honor what that relationship is. My grandmothers best friend lived with her cousin for over 30 years after both their husbands died in the war. But she could not make decisions when it came time for that, and she had to fight to keep the house they had both lived in. I do not believe they were lesbians (my grandmother swore they just didnt want to remarry) but they should have been able to go to the county and say "This is the person I want to be united with" and be done
    I also don't understand this. You can set up all those legal documents & situations, designate someone your health care proxy, etc. For the house, if they don't co-own it, then yes, you'd need that info in the will. Isn't that what people do?

    Having people who aren't couples get married is very confusing to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by freddieflounder101 View Post
    I also don't understand this. You can set up all those legal documents & situations, designate someone your health care proxy, etc. For the house, if they don't co-own it, then yes, you'd need that info in the will. Isn't that what people do?

    Having people who aren't couples get married is very confusing to me.
    I dont think they needed to get married. I am not even sure what they had set up, I think my grandma's friend passed away in the early 80's so I am not sure what the laws were then.
    Not even sure what the laws are now. I hear all the time that same sex couples deal with all these things, so it cant be as easy as it is made out to be for friends that just want to co-habitate. Is it that easy?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mom3girls View Post
    I dont think they needed to get married. I am not even sure what they had set up, I think my grandma's friend passed away in the early 80's so I am not sure what the laws were then.
    Not even sure what the laws are now. I hear all the time that same sex couples deal with all these things, so it cant be as easy as it is made out to be for friends that just want to co-habitate. Is it that easy?
    I guess I'm not sure what your point is, then.

    Well you can draw up legal documents for whatever you want. You can make it so you co-own a house, you can make a will, or a living will. I'm not sure really what the issue is or how this relates to the topic at hand, unless you're talking about what to do if the person dies and doesn't leave a will and the house is only in one person's name. Separate issue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mom3girls View Post
    I dont think they needed to get married. I am not even sure what they had set up, I think my grandma's friend passed away in the early 80's so I am not sure what the laws were then.
    Not even sure what the laws are now. I hear all the time that same sex couples deal with all these things, so it cant be as easy as it is made out to be for friends that just want to co-habitate. Is it that easy?

    Same sex couples want the same rights as everyone else Lisa ~ the right to get married. The right to have their love recognized, honored, respected, the right to have the legal benefits that come with marriage. That is what this debate is about. Surely you understand that?

    This isn't about friends cohabitating, or cousins cohabitating, or anything else. Yes, there are vehicles in place for friends or cousins or single people who want to jointly own a home or have a friend or cousin appointed their medical representative or legal representative. Those things are called wills, advanced medical directives, power of attorney, etc etc etc. None of those things have anything to do with marriage. Even married people, (if they are smart) have those things. My husband and I have all of them, even though we are married.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Potter75 View Post
    Same sex couples want the same rights as everyone else Lisa ~ the right to get married. The right to have their love recognized, honored, respected, the right to have the legal benefits that come with marriage. That is what this debate is about. Surely you understand that?

    This isn't about friends cohabitating, or cousins cohabitating, or anything else. Yes, there are vehicles in place for friends or cousins or single people who want to jointly own a home or have a friend or cousin appointed their medical representative or legal representative. Those things are called wills, advanced medical directives, power of attorney, etc etc etc. None of those things have anything to do with marriage. Even married people, (if they are smart) have those things. My husband and I have all of them, even though we are married.
    I understand what same sex couples want, I want that for them. I hear all the time that same sex couples have to get married so they can do all the things hetero couples can. If there are already vehicles in place for them to be able to do that then it devalues the argument.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mom3girls View Post
    I understand what same sex couples want, I want that for them. I hear all the time that same sex couples have to get married so they can do all the things hetero couples can. If there are already vehicles in place for them to be able to do that then it devalues the argument.

    No it doesn't. Marriage is a vehicle that we already have in place that confers those rights so that couples who choose to be lazy with their affairs can do so. People who don't want to protect their families by making a will or planning for their children in the event of their death can do so, because they are married. Gay couples, who cannot marry, don't have the same luxury. When we prevent gay couples from having equal rights we force them to pay extra money simply to try to gain access to basic human rights that should be available to everyone in a loving relationship. There is also no way for them to gain access to the tax benefits of marriage, no vehicle short of marriage exists for that one.

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    BTW, this is not a subject I feel passionately about. I do not think I articulate well what I am feeling at all because I do not put much thought into it. For me, there are other more pressing issues in our country right now, though I do know that is easy for me to say because I am not directly effected by same sex marriage
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    I'm not gay, no one in my family is gay, but I firmly believe that when we live in a country which overtly tramples on the rights of a large group of people, especially in the name of one religious group, it is extremely harmful and frightening to the nation as a whole. Further, as a Mother, I know that it is a possibility that one of my children, or my nieces or nephews, or one of my children's close friends may be gay. I have every confidence that by the time they are of marrying age gay marriage will be legal in all of the 50 states, but still, I feel like I am advocating for them when I work against hate and bigotry when I see or hear it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Potter75 View Post
    No it doesn't. Marriage is a vehicle that we already have in place that confers those rights so that couples who choose to be lazy with their affairs can do so. People who don't want to protect their families by making a will or planning for their children in the event of their death can do so, because they are married. Gay couples, who cannot marry, don't have the same luxury. When we prevent gay couples from having equal rights we force them to pay extra money simply to try to gain access to basic human rights that should be available to everyone in a loving relationship. There is also no way for them to gain access to the tax benefits of marriage, no vehicle short of marriage exists for that one.
    But right there you are still putting restrictions on something that is discriminatory as far as the government being involved. Why should it only be to someone in a loving relationship that should be able to be lazy with their affairs and designate another person to have those rights. If it is about rights it should be available to any 2 people no matter what the relationship is. Marriage should not be the vehicle for this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GloriaInTX View Post
    But right there you are still putting restrictions on something that is discriminatory as far as the government being involved. Why should it only be to someone in a loving relationship that should be able to be lazy with their affairs and designate another person to have those rights. If it is about rights it should be available to any 2 people no matter what the relationship is. Marriage should not be the vehicle for this.

    Explain? I've already talked about how it IS available. You can be in a hate filled relationship for all I care. Love doesn't have to come into it at all. You and your aunt sally can have power of attorney for one another. You can even be remarried and have power of attorney for her. And uncle bob too. And you can designate anyone you want to inherit whatever you want them to get. I guess I don't understand what you mean.

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