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    Gloria, neither of those arguments makes sense. Other countries have legalized gay marriage and none of those things have happened. There's no slippery slope into marital chaos. No one's trying to marry their mothers or animals or whatever, nor is society sanctioning that. And as for clinging to some definition of marriage as between a man and a woman, SO WHAT? Things change all the time, to grow with the times because we recognize that we made certain laws & decisions based on bigotry of old.

    They're not compelling arguments, they're distractions.

    In all of your explanations of how the rest of us can have legal unions & whatnot, YOU get to keep marriage. It's a very selfish view. You want to preserve some outdated idea and therefore deny marriage to others in the name of I don't even know what anymore. I was going to say "tradition" but you seem willing to throw marriage out the window for everybody but you.

    Face it, it's discrimination. I know your particular views tell you that homosexuality is wrong, but we don't make laws in this country based on religion. And again, many many Christians do NOT think homosexuality is wrong. Churches make statements in favor of gay marriage.

    If it bothers you SO much to share marriage with gay people, then just give it to the rest of us and call your union something else. You seem very cavalier about everybody else doing that, why not put your money where your mouth is and YOU get the new made up union that happens in the meadow or the church, marry your friends, I don't care, and give us our traditional marriage of a couple who are in love and want to form a new family together.

    The rest of us don't want the government out of marriage. Even the non-gays! My marriage is sacred to me. Gay people marrying doesn't threaten that or change it one iota. Nor has it anywhere where it has become legal, including all the states in the U.S. that have it. Hah!
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    Gloria, neither of those arguments makes sense. Other countries have legalized gay marriage and none of those things have happened. There's no slippery slope into marital chaos. No one's trying to marry their mothers or animals or whatever, nor is society sanctioning that.
    Oh didn't you know? Next up on the Maine voting ballot. The Goat Marriage act. Marrying your farm animals is all the rage now that you can marry people of the same sex.
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    Quote Originally Posted by freddieflounder101 View Post
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    I was going to post the same thing!!! I love the way you think. I LOVED this today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KimPossible View Post
    I was going to post the same thing!!! I love the way you think. I LOVED this today.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KimPossible View Post
    Oh didn't you know? Next up on the Maine voting ballot. The Goat Marriage act. Marrying your farm animals is all the rage now that you can marry people of the same sex.
    Couldn't you always marry your goats in Maine though?


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    Quote Originally Posted by mommytoMR.FACE View Post
    Anyways Gloria, when can we vote on your marriage?
    Whenever you get the signatures to put it on the ballot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by freddieflounder101 View Post
    Gloria, neither of those arguments makes sense. Other countries have legalized gay marriage and none of those things have happened. There's no slippery slope into marital chaos. No one's trying to marry their mothers or animals or whatever, nor is society sanctioning that. And as for clinging to some definition of marriage as between a man and a woman, SO WHAT? Things change all the time, to grow with the times because we recognize that we made certain laws & decisions based on bigotry of old.

    They're not compelling arguments, they're distractions.
    Well at least some the the Justices of the Supreme Court disagree just as I do.

    JUSTICE ALITO: You want us to assess the effects of same-sex marriage, the potential effects on -- of same-sex marriage, the potential -- the effects of Proposition 8. But what is your response to the argument which has already been mentioned about the need to be cautious in light of the newness of the -- the concept of -- of same-sex marriage.
    The one thing that the parties in this case seem to agree on is that marriage is very important. It's thought to be a fundamental building block of society and its preservation essential for the preservation of society. Traditional marriage has been around for thousands of years. Same-sex marriage is very new. I think it was first adopted in The Netherlands in 2000. So there isn't a lot of data about its effect. And it may turn out to be a -- a good thing; it may turn out not to be a good thing, as the supporters of Proposition 8 apparently believe.
    But you want us to step in and render a decision based on an assessment of the effects of this institution which is newer than cell phones or the Internet? I mean we -- we are not -- we do not have the ability to see the future.
    On a question like that, of such fundamental importance, why should it not be left for the people, either acting through initiatives and referendums or through their elected public officials?

    GENERAL VERRILLI: I have four points I would like to make to that in response to that, Justice Alito, and I think they are all important.
    First, California did not through Proposition 8 do what my friend Mr. Cooper said and push a pause button. They pushed a delete button. This is a permanent ban. It's in the Constitution. It's supposed to take this issue out from the legislative process. So that's the first point.
    Second -
    JUSTICE ALITO: Well, just in response to that, of course the Constitution could be amended,
    and -- and I think I read that the California Constitution has been amended 500 times.
    GENERAL VERRILLI: But the -
    JUSTICE ALITO: So it's not exactly like the U.S. Constitution.
    GENERAL VERRILLI: But it does -- of course not. But it is -- but the aim of this is to take it out of the normal legislative process.
    The second point is that, with respect to concerns that Your Honor has raised, California has been anything but cautious. It has given equal parenting rights, equal adoption rights. Those rights are on the books in California now, and so the interest of California is -- that Petitioners are articulating with respect to Proposition 8, has to be measured in that light.
    JUSTICE SCALIA: Yeah, but the rest of the country has been cautious.
    GENERAL VERRILLI: And -- and that's why
    JUSTICE SCALIA: And we're -- and you are asking us to impose this on the whole country, not just California.
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    Gloria- I think Scalia raised an interesting argument that I hadn't thought of regarding gay marriage, too much. IS the age old question of state vs federal rights. At what point does the Federal government override state rights.. we have been getting all slippery over here in Oregon and Washington for sure with Marijuana Laws.. I think the country has forgotten what the Civil War was about.. it wasn't just about freeing or keeping slavery.. It was primarily in the beginning about the ability of each state to choose for themselves..

    Interesting how it all comes back to this again... Hope we can figure it out without another Civil War.. They sure thought they would back then.. but of course our society has forgotten History because we don't teach it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KimPossible View Post
    I was going to post the same thing!!! I love the way you think. I LOVED this today.
    Posting this and knowing your viewpoint assumes that the view of homosexuality is "more developed" or "more enlightened". I contend and I am sure Gloria would agree that it isn't. There are reasons we chose to have marriage between a man and a woman in our laws.... can you look back through history and determine why.. or should I give you a History lesson?
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