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    Quote Originally Posted by freddieflounder101 View Post
    Yes, there are always reasons for bigotry. It doesn't mean they are the right reasons.
    I am saying Homosexuality is not a new topic. It was in the OT, it was in Rome, it was in the times of Aristotle and Plato.. there are reasons those creating our constitution and state laws didn't make it legal.. and I urge you to learn why.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ClairesMommy View Post
    I often find that progressive thinking and forward-looking attitudes do better for society that those who are constantly looking to the past for answers with the 'that's the way it's always been and always shall be' attitude. Nobody needs a history lesson, thanks.
    It is NOT a forward thinking attitude that pro-gay marriagers have is my point. It has been done before.. Go dig out your history books and learn.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jessica80 View Post
    An animal cannot enter into a contract, an animal cannot agree to be loving and supportive....I hate that argument.

    A child cannot either.

    There is not going to be a push towards non consenting people being able to be married.
    Depends what society you are discussing, for many years in many countries children can be married... At what age should you say one could or couldn't enter into a marriage contract? You do know this is different in different societies right?.. what makes your view right? Why do you have the right to say how old someone can be?
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    I'm thinking that we would consider a child under 18 as that is the current law and I don't hear anyone squawking about making it lower..if anything maybe older.

    Of course different societies have different norms...who said they didn't? I'm speaking on our norms that children and animals cannot be married as they do not have ability to enter into that type of contract.

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    Quote Originally Posted by freddieflounder101 View Post
    Gloria, neither of those arguments makes sense. Other countries have legalized gay marriage and none of those things have happened. There's no slippery slope into marital chaos. No one's trying to marry their mothers or animals or whatever, nor is society sanctioning that. And as for clinging to some definition of marriage as between a man and a woman, SO WHAT? Things change all the time, to grow with the times because we recognize that we made certain laws & decisions based on bigotry of old.

    They're not compelling arguments, they're distractions.

    In all of your explanations of how the rest of us can have legal unions & whatnot, YOU get to keep marriage. It's a very selfish view. You want to preserve some outdated idea and therefore deny marriage to others in the name of I don't even know what anymore. I was going to say "tradition" but you seem willing to throw marriage out the window for everybody but you.

    Face it, it's discrimination. I know your particular views tell you that homosexuality is wrong, but we don't make laws in this country based on religion. And again, many many Christians do NOT think homosexuality is wrong. Churches make statements in favor of gay marriage.

    If it bothers you SO much to share marriage with gay people, then just give it to the rest of us and call your union something else. You seem very cavalier about everybody else doing that, why not put your money where your mouth is and YOU get the new made up union that happens in the meadow or the church, marry your friends, I don't care, and give us our traditional marriage of a couple who are in love and want to form a new family together.

    The rest of us don't want the government out of marriage. Even the non-gays! My marriage is sacred to me. Gay people marrying doesn't threaten that or change it one iota. Nor has it anywhere where it has become legal, including all the states in the U.S. that have it. Hah!
    Threatening someone, and being evil is wrong.. Is discrimination wrong? I would say not always.. discernment is a wonderful quality. Depends how and to whom it is applied but the word itself is not necessarily wrong. It is not wrong that there are groups just for quilters, or just for runners, or just for men, or just for women, etc etc....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jessica80 View Post
    I'm thinking that we would consider a child under 18 as that is the current law and I don't hear anyone squawking about making it lower..if anything maybe older.

    Of course different societies have different norms...who said they didn't? I'm speaking on our norms that children and animals cannot be married as they do not have ability to enter into that type of contract.
    Why are our norms right?
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    In the case of children and animals not marrying I would venture to say we feel it is right because it would be harmful to children or animals to be placed, unknowingly and without consent into a marriage and harmful to society.

    I'm not saying they are "right" just that they are right for OUR society.

    Just like the norms of your household are right for you but are not right for others.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rivergallery View Post
    Why are our norms right?
    Why is this only a question now. We've had an age of consent in this country for a while. Are you saying that that doesn't make sense? This sounds like an entirely different debate to me if you think that we have no right to define an age of consent.

    The point is we already do...and if we ever had to worry about some theoretical law about adults marrying children, the laws around the age of consent would have to change first.
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    Justice Alito asked, "Why should it not be left for the people, either acting through initiatives and referendums or through their elected public officials?"

    The answer to that is the same answer why the Supreme Court didn't leave interracial marriage to the people to decide, why they didn't leave defense attorneys to elected public officials to provide for poor people, and why they didn't leave standing the segregation laws that had been passed legally into law. Because sometimes the general public and their elected officials are WRONG. There are certain fundamental human rights that everyone should have regardless of their gender, color, social standing; we're just finally getting around to adding the gender of their soul mate to that list. As many other countries already have.
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    The number of U.S. states in which a person can marry the person they love regardless of gender: 30 and counting!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rivergallery View Post
    Threatening someone, and being evil is wrong.. Is discrimination wrong? I would say not always.. discernment is a wonderful quality. Depends how and to whom it is applied but the word itself is not necessarily wrong. It is not wrong that there are groups just for quilters, or just for runners, or just for men, or just for women, etc etc....
    You know that's not what I mean.
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