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    But those laws are to protect Amish people from not getting to practice their beliefs due to our federal and state laws not the other way around. The Amish aren't trying to make laws against say...televisions because they don't use them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rivergallery View Post
    Of course, from Amish and Native American (heck they are whole sovereign nations in our boarders), to issues such as religious exemptions for medical procedures- where without the exemption the person would be FORCED to comply with the law - From JW blood transfusions to some state exemptions for religion in vaccinating if you enter public school.. the list goes on.. There as I said TONS!
    This is NOT what we said. This are giving people options, not taking them away.

    We have other laws like truancy that do not apply to homeschoolers.. depending on the state it is different for each one.. granted this isn't necessarily a religious difference, but it is a law that parents can be imprisoned for, that if their child is homeschooled they can not be penalized.
    Like I said, giving people options, not taking them away.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Potter75 View Post
    WAiting for my history lesson please.
    From Greeks having an obvious and recorded relationships between men.. often an older male would take a younger man.. "Pedastery".
    To the definition and history of the word Lesbian.. look to the isle of Lesbos.
    Often the only negative feeling about homosexuality in those days was of the submissive partener. The agressive partner was not looked negatively upon. But Plutarch had a different idea... His became as far as I read our more modern day beliefs.. those that are being threatened to REVERT back to Greek and Roman times. Plato even rang in on the idea saying Woman love is nothing more than the desire to bear children and male love is positive and even Socrates weighed in.. GO READ before you rant... and think your "idealist views" are something new...

    Those that set up our laws were very wise, and more learned than the majority of people today.. They read and knew their history, unlike the majority of hs graduates today.

    Not only that homosexual relationships were rampant in Old Testament times, Mesopotamia and ancient Egypt. Mesopotamia even had documents of same sex unions, especially to the King.

    Again. nothing new, and get off your preverbal high horse, thinking those that have a different view, know nothing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KimPossible View Post
    This is NOT what we said. This are giving people options, not taking them away.



    Like I said, giving people options, not taking them away.
    You can't have a truant but I can That does take away your option to be truant from school.
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    Well that is up to you to deal with your kids being away from your schooling without your knowledge.

    When we send our kids to public schools we abide by truancy laws. It never once crossed my mind that your kids being "truant" was taking my rights away as I have every right to homeschool my children just as you do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rivergallery View Post
    From Greeks having an obvious and recorded relationships between men.. often an older male would take a younger man.. "Pedastery".
    To the definition and history of the word Lesbian.. look to the isle of Lesbos.
    Often the only negative feeling about homosexuality in those days was of the submissive partener. The agressive partner was not looked negatively upon. But Plutarch had a different idea... His became as far as I read our more modern day beliefs.. those that are being threatened to REVERT back to Greek and Roman times. Plato even rang in on the idea saying Woman love is nothing more than the desire to bear children and male love is positive and even Socrates weighed in.. GO READ before you rant... and think your "idealist views" are something new...

    Those that set up our laws were very wise, and more learned than the majority of people today.. They read and knew their history, unlike the majority of hs graduates today.

    Not only that homosexual relationships were rampant in Old Testament times, Mesopotamia and ancient Egypt. Mesopotamia even had documents of same sex unions, especially to the King.

    Again. nothing new, and get off your preverbal high horse, thinking those that have a different view, know nothing.

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    I am not seeing what we are supposed to 'learn' from this that makes same sex marriage such a bad thing? Yes, homosexuality has been around for a long time, sometimes it was accepted by society, sometimes not. What is your point?

    Also, most of what the Greeks referred to as male love, had nothing to do with sexuality or desire, but more like what we would call bromance
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jessica80 View Post
    Well that is up to you to deal with your kids being away from your schooling without your knowledge.

    When we send our kids to public schools we abide by truancy laws. It never once crossed my mind that your kids being "truant" was taking my rights away as I have every right to homeschool my children just as you do.
    Yes but you do not have the right to change the definition of homeschooling because you want to be truant
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    Quote Originally Posted by ftmom View Post
    I am not seeing what we are supposed to 'learn' from this that makes same sex marriage such a bad thing? Yes, homosexuality has been around for a long time, sometimes it was accepted by society, sometimes not. What is your point?

    Also, most of what the Greeks referred to as male love, had nothing to do with sexuality or desire, but more like what we would call bromance
    You are really not getting it.. The quote was brought up indicating that gay marriage was some how some new and enlightened idea.. I am saying NO it is not new.. And NO it is not enlightened.. And that the creators of our union understood and knew this history and set marriage up to NOT to be between and man and man or woman and a woman for a reason..... and to explore why they thought that.. maybe .. just maybe they had it right!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rivergallery View Post
    You are really not getting it.. The quote was brought up indicating that gay marriage was some how some new and enlightened idea.. I am saying NO it is not new.. And NO it is not enlightened.. And that the creators of our union understood and knew this history and set marriage up to NOT to be between and man and man or woman and a woman for a reason..... and to explore why they thought that.. maybe .. just maybe they had it right!
    But I think it is wrong to discount the society that these men grew up in and lived in. Their society forced homosexual people to hide who they were. No one was asking for equal marriage rights, so why would they even have considered making it so that they could marry? No matter how much education you have, if you dont consider the question, your education really means nothing to the decision you make. Now that society is changing and homosexual people feel comfortable asking for what they want. I think it is only fair that the decision be revisited.

    ETA: Just because someone is highly educated, doesnt mean they will always make the right choice, especially when we are talking hundreds of years in the future.
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    RG~the definition of marriage has changed over time in our society and in many societies. It is fluid. You may have a solid idea about what it means to you but that doesn't have to apply to all just like I can homeschool with a truant and you can homeschool without a truant and we're both still homeschooling.

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