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    Quote Originally Posted by Alana*sMommy View Post
    Hmmm.....my oldest daughter (2nd grade) is no stranger to stress and deals with it very well. I think it is important that our kids learn to deal with difficult situations from a young age and they can develop those coping skills naturally. We don't make an overly huge deal of standardized testing, but she knows that it is important that she do her best (and that we will be proud of her no matter the outcome). I think we sometimes don't give our kids enough credit.
    I agree with you that children should learn to deal with difficult situations and handle stress. I'm not anti standardized testing as a way to shield my child from all of the hard things in the world. My kids will deal with plenty of real, age appropriate and oftentimes necessary stress ~ loss of loved ones, sports performance stress, navigating the miasma of peers/social stress, academic stress etc etc. Standardized testing? A billion dollar industry with zero proven benefit? An industry that in some school districts is eating up 25% of classroom time as teachers teach to the test? An industry rife with cheating and allegations of fraud? An industry which is making teachers, parents, and students stressed out and unhappy? And as Bonita showed, parents don't even understand it, and as Gloria showed, the tests are different state to state, how are they even showing any sort of national standard of educational achievement?

    I'm all for to let my kids feel stress for lots of things. For productive, good, healthy things. For things that are ruining creativity, narrowing our curriculum, and taking up valuable learning time? Nah. Why would that make me happy or feel like a good parent; "I'm helping build character through artificial stress by settling for a sub standard farce of an educational standard, little one!". Not for me. We can do that in plenty of constructive ways.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Potter75 View Post
    I agree with you that children should learn to deal with difficult situations and handle stress. I'm not anti standardized testing as a way to shield my child from all of the hard things in the world. My kids will deal with plenty of real, age appropriate and oftentimes necessary stress ~ loss of loved ones, sports performance stress, navigating the miasma of peers/social stress, academic stress etc etc. Standardized testing? A billion dollar industry with zero proven benefit? An industry that in some school districts is eating up 25% of classroom time as teachers teach to the test? An industry rife with cheating and allegations of fraud? An industry which is making teachers, parents, and students stressed out and unhappy? And as Bonita showed, parents don't even understand it, and as Gloria showed, the tests are different state to state, how are they even showing any sort of national standard of educational achievement?

    I'm all for to let my kids feel stress for lots of things. For productive, good, healthy things. For things that are ruining creativity, narrowing our curriculum, and taking up valuable learning time? Nah. Why would that make me happy or feel like a good parent; "I'm helping build character through artificial stress by settling for a sub standard farce of an educational standard, little one!". Not for me. We can do that in plenty of constructive ways.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Potter75 View Post
    And as Bonita showed, parents don't even understand it,
    In what way do you feel that I do not understand what standardised testing is? I believe this was very uncalled for.
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    You were not clear about what the testing laws or requirements were in your state. Many parents are not. I know I'm not. They vary greatly from state to state. That insults you? Really?
    Last edited by Potter75; 04-26-2013 at 11:25 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Potter75 View Post
    You were not clear about what the testing laws or requirements were in your state. Many parents are not. I know I'm not. They vary greatly from state to state. That insults you? Really?
    Yes, your tone was insulting. That may not have been your intent, but that is how it came across. As a homeschooler, I am very educated in what the laws are that apply to homeschoolers. Just because there are loopholes, does not mean that is not what the law is. For example, it would also be correct to say that Vaccines are required by law in some States. There are exceptions (You can claim a religious and other exceptions), but I would still say it was required.
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    Okay.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Potter75 View Post
    I agree with you that children should learn to deal with difficult situations and handle stress. I'm not anti standardized testing as a way to shield my child from all of the hard things in the world. My kids will deal with plenty of real, age appropriate and oftentimes necessary stress ~ loss of loved ones, sports performance stress, navigating the miasma of peers/social stress, academic stress etc etc. Standardized testing? A billion dollar industry with zero proven benefit? An industry that in some school districts is eating up 25% of classroom time as teachers teach to the test? An industry rife with cheating and allegations of fraud? An industry which is making teachers, parents, and students stressed out and unhappy? And as Bonita showed, parents don't even understand it, and as Gloria showed, the tests are different state to state, how are they even showing any sort of national standard of educational achievement?

    I'm all for to let my kids feel stress for lots of things. For productive, good, healthy things. For things that are ruining creativity, narrowing our curriculum, and taking up valuable learning time? Nah. Why would that make me happy or feel like a good parent; "I'm helping build character through artificial stress by settling for a sub standard farce of an educational standard, little one!". Not for me. We can do that in plenty of constructive ways.
    I wasn't speaking specifically to you in my post but it seems as if you felt that way. I was speaking in general regarding these "stressed out kids" that some people seem so concerned about. If a child is freaking out and having a hard time functioning because of a standardized test then perhaps that child has been shielded from real life a little too much and needs to be taught some coping skills. Our kids aren't made of glass contrary to what some believe. That's the point I was making.

    As for whether or not standardized testing is useful or not....I think it has its time and place as I've said before. I really value the testing our district uses for K-2 and it helps me pinpoint weaknesses and monitor progress. Yes, my principal analyzes my data and growth, but her question to me always is, "What will you change to help your students learn?" I see that as a good thing.

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    Oh, I thought as a teacher you might be more concerned with the greater good. I'm not one of those ~ "lets teach them a lesson by making them puke' moms

    1. Standardized testing causes severe stress in younger students. According to education researcher Gregory J. Cizek, anecdotes abound "illustrating how testing... produces gripping anxiety in even the brightest students, and makes young children vomit or cry, or both." [7] On Mar. 14, 2002, the Sacramento Bee reported that "test-related jitters, especially among young students, are so common that the Stanford-9 exam comes with instructions on what to do with a test booklet in case a student vomits on it." [8]

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    we have two different types of standardized testing.

    HLATs - Highest Level of Achievement tests - which test what level the kids are at for reading and writing. The tests are marked by teachers from other schools. I know that they start in grade 1 and go through grade 6, not sure if they go farther. They are a little faulty as in Grade 1 Robbie was reading way higher then he scored - he was only tested up to grade 2 reading and he was reading at a grade 6 level. Not sure what the test will be like this year, they are in May/June.

    PATs - Provincial Achievement Tests - Grades 3, 6 & 9, these are tests in different subjects with the higher the grade the more subjects tested. These tests rank schools as well as making sure that provincial curriculum is being followed. Robbie's school is low but that is due to some kids in the Opportunity class (severe learning/physical disabilities) write the tests for experience. His school feels that there is a benefit for these kids to write the tests due to needing to write provincial exams in grade 12 to graduate from high school.

    Grade 12 has diploma exams which in part with the regular grades make the final grades for high school graduates. Everyone in Alberta write the same exam for the same class.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mom2robbie View Post
    we have two different types of standardized testing.

    HLATs - Highest Level of Achievement tests - which test what level the kids are at for reading and writing. The tests are marked by teachers from other schools. I know that they start in grade 1 and go through grade 6, not sure if they go farther. They are a little faulty as in Grade 1 Robbie was reading way higher then he scored - he was only tested up to grade 2 reading and he was reading at a grade 6 level. Not sure what the test will be like this year, they are in May/June.

    PATs - Provincial Achievement Tests - Grades 3, 6 & 9, these are tests in different subjects with the higher the grade the more subjects tested. These tests rank schools as well as making sure that provincial curriculum is being followed. Robbie's school is low but that is due to some kids in the Opportunity class (severe learning/physical disabilities) write the tests for experience. His school feels that there is a benefit for these kids to write the tests due to needing to write provincial exams in grade 12 to graduate from high school.

    Grade 12 has diploma exams which in part with the regular grades make the final grades for high school graduates. Everyone in Alberta write the same exam for the same class.

    IME tests that test for what grade level kids are reading at are very limited in their scope. My oldest DD was way ahead in reading but in first grade we stopped testing at 4.7 because the next level up books were subject matter that was not all the appropriate for a first grader. This year my kindergartener stopped at 3.2 because of the same thing. We were to the point of wondering what we would change as far as her education path if we knew where she tested. We dont want to bump her up a grade so knowing exactly where she tested was not going to matter
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