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    I believe that was just a retort to the original comment.

    Seriously, can you please just answer if you want it to be okay or not without nitpicking at who said what or why? That's not the point of this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jessica80 View Post
    I believe that was just a retort to the original comment.

    Seriously, can you please just answer if you want it to be okay or not without nitpicking at who said what or why? That's not the point of this.
    It's not? It sure seemed that way to me, specifically aimed at one person. At least that's the gist I got from the post that was mostly edited so it is not there anymore. As soon as I pointed out that others who are making the accusations have done the same thing magically most of that post disappeared.

    And no it wasn't a retort to anything go back to the original thread and check it out. Post #50
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    Quote Originally Posted by GloriaInTX View Post
    I don't understand how this is any diffferent from the post quoted above which is essentially just the opposite.

    "Why do you care about aborted babies but don't care about this"

    Seems kind of hypocritical that it is ok if you bring abortion into the thread for that reason instead of the other way.
    I'm sorry, I don't know what quotes you are referring to or comparing to each other. If you don't agree with my proposal, just tell me why. I think the two questions I have suggested would be sufficient in figuring out if it's appropriate to bring up a different topic or not. If you object to the questions, tell me why. If you have another suggested solution, offer it up.

    And I don't think it's useful to talk about specific instances, we are looking for solutions going forward, not to hash out things that have already happened.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GloriaInTX View Post
    It's not? It sure seemed that way to me, specifically aimed at one person. At least that's the gist I got from the post that was mostly edited so it is not there anymore. As soon as I pointed out that others who are making the accusations have done the same thing magically most of that post disappeared.
    What do you want to make this about Gloria? If you don't think there is any problem, just say that. I've a proposed a generic solution so why are you trying to make this about specific people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KimPossible View Post
    What do you want to make this about Gloria? If you don't think there is any problem, just say that. I've a proposed a generic solution so why are you trying to make this about specific people.
    Because that is what it is. About a specific person who has been singled out for doing something that another person did the exact same thing and it was ok because they were making the opposite point. I really like the suggestion Missy already gave. If abortion or any other unrelated topic is interjected into a debate and you don't think it belongs... ignore it. Seems pretty simple. No additional rules.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GloriaInTX View Post
    Because that is what it is. About a specific person who has been singled out for doing something that another person did the exact same thing and it was ok because they were making the opposite point. I really like the suggestion Missy already gave. If abortion or any other unrelated topic is interjected into a debate and you don't think it belongs... ignore it. Seems pretty simple. No additional rules.
    If you want to talk specifics, then fine. I completely disagree. Melissa does NOT bring up a single debate topic issue over and over again in other debates. Now I like Bonita and am glad she is here but I do take issue with this particular behavior. This is an issue off topic obsession. Trust me, if it was a single and isolated occurrence, by Bonita or anyone, we would not be here even discussing it. Do you agree?
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    Obviously abortion is just going to have to be a taboo topic going forward because that is a sensitive topic for some of the more active posters on this board. That is fine if we are all on the same page. I would never wish to be the cause of someone reliving a traumatic experience over and over again. That was never my intent. There are other hot button topics that brought up repeatedly to prove a point even if they are not what the current debate is about. Recent examples would be boycotting Chick Fil A or Walmart or Gay marriage. That said, with feelings on the topic as strong as they are, I think it just needs to be an off limits topic for right now.

    I will be honest and say I had no idea that there was such hostility toward me over this topic. I love this board and the companionship that it gives me during the day. It would be my wish that we could debate, disagree, and still find similar ground to meet on. We are all woman (Great woman), mothers, and human beings. This board has also been such a learning, stretch my world experience. From everything from whether or not to use a washcloth in the shower to circumcision.... I would absolutly hate for that to end because of one debate topic.

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    Post#107 (Bonita)
    It is amazing to me the outrage of roughly 31,000 dying each year due to guns. The people rallying around saying that everything possible to be done to save as many of those lives as possible. That some good honest people should make sacrifices of their constitutional gun rights in order to save some of these precious lives. However, no one cares about the 1.2 million babies being aborted every year. That we can't possibly put any restrictions on abortions because it would infringe on the very few that were raped or deformed.

    The irony is astounding.


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    And you know what? I don't care about other peoples fetuses that much. I just don't. I do care about my living children and my living, breathing, fellow americans. And for you to compare some barely pink pee stick of a 6 week old pregnancy who was then aborted to my living breathing children and wonder why I care about people killing my children? Well, it isn't complicated. And I think that it is completely sick and effed up and I simply don't BELIEVE those of you who purport to care so much about that "precious" fetal tissue but don't seem to give a lick about the living breathing babies who are being killed. So I guess I throw your question back at you. Why so interested in the contents of other peoples precious womb's but the second that those babies come out your "rights" are then more important than my babies? The irony IS astounding

    Not that it matters but to clear it up Gloria. It was a retort to the first comment.

    I hate the idea that we have to avoid topics. But, while topics can veer, I hate to go off topic all the time. It muddles things. I hate to be talking about guns and then having to defend abortion rights.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AlyssaEimers View Post
    Obviously abortion is just going to have to be a taboo topic going forward because that is a sensitive topic for some of the more active posters on this board. That is fine if we are all on the same page. I would never wish to be the cause of someone reliving a traumatic experience over and over again. That was never my intent. There are other hot button topics that brought up repeatedly to prove a point even if they are not what the current debate is about. Recent examples would be boycotting Chick Fil A or Walmart or Gay marriage. That said, with feelings on the topic as strong as they are, I think it just needs to be an off limits topic for right now.

    I will be honest and say I had no idea that there was such hostility toward me over this topic. I love this board and the companionship that it gives me during the day. It would be my wish that we could debate, disagree, and still find similar ground to meet on. We are all woman (Great woman), mothers, and human beings. This board has also been such a learning, stretch my world experience. From everything from whether or not to use a washcloth in the shower to circumcision.... I would absolutly hate for that to end because of one debate topic.
    Bonita, it's not the topic itself I take issue with, I think we are capable of talking about sensitive subjects. It's about the choice to bring it up when you do. You choose to interject it into other debates. Be honest, in the latest example, was your purpose in mentioning it to argue that people should not care about 31,000 people dying from guns and therefore we do not need gun control legislation? Because that is the only way the comment would support the actual topic at hand.

    Otherwise it was just a moment to express your frustration that people don't see abortion the same way you do , or to make people feel like they should see abortion differently because they care about gun deaths. If you are trying to change people's minds about gun control or get them to see gun control the way you see it, then it's about the debate topic. If you are trying to make people see abortion differently, or see abortion the way you do, then its no longer about gun control, its about abortion, and does not belong in the gun control debate.

    Edited to clarify and to fix all sorts of typos because i first wrote this on my phone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KimPossible View Post
    If you want to talk specifics, then fine. I completely disagree. Melissa does NOT bring up a single debate topic issue over and over again in other debates. Now I like Bonita and am glad she is here but I do take issue with this particular behavior. This is an issue off topic obsession. Trust me, if it was a single and isolated occurrence, by Bonita or anyone, we would not be here even discussing it. Do you agree?
    And I'm pretty sure Missy already addressed it. Don't you agree? You can't single someone out for posting about what is important to them. Of course that is going to come out more often. And if we are going to talk about specifics actually Melissa does frequently interject things that aren't related to the debate like for instance making veiled references to people being bigoted or the way she often puts people down for things like homeschooling or their lifestyle choices. If everyone has to put on their big girl panties and ignore those things then I don't understand why it should be any different than ignoring Bonita expressing her sadness that people don't seem to care about the millions of babies aborted evey year.
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