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    Abortions are restricted. But that's another debate

    Again, Gloria, let's not rehash what was said or not said. You are the lone person here who thinks things are okay as they are. Many of us of frustrated. As I said, I love an abortion debate but I don't want EVERY debate to be one.

    I think Kim has a good idea. Purposely going OT should have a warning. After that it is rule breaking.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GloriaInTX View Post
    Yes I do think it was about gun control and just as much on topic as Melissa's was. Her post is about how some think it is ok to restrict guns which is a constitutional right but don't think it is ok to restrict abortions.

    ..... therefore what does Bonita think about gun control? Or is trying to get other people to think about gun control? That they shouldn't care about 31000 deaths? Because that's less than the amount of abortions?

    I think you are being purposely obtuse now. That comment was not meant to convince anyone to change their mind about gun control and you know it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AlyssaEimers View Post
    Kim, I believe you made your point. I already offered to make abortion an off limits topic.
    But we don't want it "off limits". We want it in appropriate settings.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AlyssaEimers View Post
    Kim, I believe you made your point. I already offered to make abortion an off limits topic.
    Okay, well I don't think you get it if you think that is my point. If you would like us to stop referring to you specifically I can do that, I originally tried to but gloria wanted to talk about you and Melissa.

    Why did you only address me in this post? If someone is going to disagree with me and state their case, I should be allowed to respond.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KimPossible View Post
    ..... therefore what does Bonita think about gun control? Or is trying to get other people to think about gun control? That they shouldn't care about 31000 deaths? Because that's less than the amount of abortions?

    I think you are being obtuse now. That comment was not meant to convince anyone to change their mind about gun control and you know it.
    No I don't know it. I think that this is a witch hunt singling out one person for something that others have done just because it is a topic that you object to. I'm sure Missy has plenty of time to get PM's from people that someone mentioned something x many times so she can warn people. Meanwhile it is ok for Melissa to post personal attacks that drive people like wlillie completely off the board.
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    Lillie drove herself away from this board and I have no sympathy for her for leaving. Nobody ganged up on her.

    I'm not objecting to the topic and Kim and Melissa have actively engaged in abortion debates in the past.

    It's not a witch hunt.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GloriaInTX View Post
    No I don't know it. I think that this is a witch hunt singling out one person for something that others have done just because it is a topic that you object to. I'm sure Missy had plenty of time to get PM's from people that someone mentioned something x many times so she can warn people. Meanwhile it is ok for Melissa to post personal attacks that drive people like wlillie completely off the board.
    I don't understand why you think it's a witch hunt. No one is looking to get anyone banned. I don't want Bonita to go anywhere, I actually like what she adds to a lot of debates because she fits less into a neat little liberal or conservative box than a lot of the rest of us do. I'm proposing an addition to the rules that everyone would have to follow, not just one person. No witch hunt. And please, we have other rules, we don't act like those are some huge burden to admin. People generally follow the rules when they are explicitly stated.

    And I'm done arguing about the differences between those abortion comments in the debate because I think i have clearly stated my point and I think you get it even if you won't admit it and I think we are making Bonita feel uncomfortable.

    You have a personal problem with Melissa that is cloudng your judgment on this one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KimPossible View Post
    And I'm done arguing about the differences between those abortion comments in the debate because I think i have clearly stated my point and I think you get it even if you won't admit it and I think we are making Bonita feel uncomfortable.
    Well I guess I just really AM obtuse because I still don't see any difference between those comments. I'm done though because at this point it is just going in circles. I have stated my opinion. I think things ARE just fine the way they are and what Missy stated is the best solution. If something bothers you either ignore it or go ahead and point out that it is off topic without making it a personal attack.
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    OK ladies, not sure where Missy is and she may reopen this thread but what I see is a lot of attacking other people. That is not what the debate board is about and so I am locking this thread.
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    For those not wanting to read through -- short version -- from this point forward:

    Debates that are abortion specific -- please clearly label "Abort. Ment." in the subject line if it is not clearly titled.

    POSTS that reference abortion, "pro-life" or "pro-choice" matters, etc. in ANY OTHER debate topic -- please use the Advanced reply option and label appropriately. We are not going to try and pick and choose whether it is related or not and this is expected of both "sides."

    For other "sensitive topic" issues (parenting choices, religion, gay marriage, political leanings, lifestyle choices): Those opting to use a non-related debate topic to insert a dig, personal attack, or bash regarding one of those listed MUST abide by the Community Guidelines. If you cannot refrain from interjecting those within a debate, step away or risk the consequences of your own actions. IF you feel that it IS related to the debate, please use Advanced Reply and label accordingly.

    Those that fail to abide by the request to label as outlined above will be offered one warning. A second offense may result in the disabling of your account. As previously -- those violating the Community Guidelines with personal attacks / digs already have consequences spelled out.

    It is my STRONG desire not to have ANYONE banned as I truly believe every one of you has something positive to contribute to this debate and community.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bunnyfufu View Post

    And I think I was a helpful voice on the old abortion debate board. I felt helpful in bridging the gap.
    Thank you for coming back to share your point of view. You have been missed and I wholeheartedly agree that you were a positive contributor on our former Abortion Debate board.

    Unfortunately, the board died out due to lack of participation several years ago.


    Quote Originally Posted by Potter75 View Post
    ETA: In thinking about it more, I don't know that it totally needs its own board ~ its the bringing it into every topic that is wearing *me* down and catching me off guard.
    Melissa (and all) -- I think that point is fair to make about how it impacts you and I believe that through sharing that alone can perhaps make others recognize the sensitivity of what they have to say, just as you and others have been asked to do on other subjects that people may feel passionately personal about. That doesn't mean, however, that someone else is prohibited from making a debate point on the topic. I believe, (or rather hope) that this can be accomplished by communicating with one another as without attacking "in kind" and extending the same courtesy to others. You all have gotten to know one another well enough through the years to recognize those hot button issues for each other.

    Again, this is rather how we dealt with "discussions" on various birth boards where some felt extremely passionate about particular topics (carseats, breastfeeding/formula, crying it out, etc.) -- and then wanted to proclaim that they were attacked when someone offered a disagreeing point of view. (Melis -- I know you were involved in some of those and we agreed /supported your -- and others -- right to offer your opinions/advice. "Support does not always equal agreement."

    When that same idea is applied here, obviously since this IS a debate there are bound to be vastly different points of view. As has been clear on these threads each side seems to view the same post(s) through their own "lens".

    For example, it would be unfair to call Bonita's post a "rant" and not the same for your previous mention within the debate. Again -- according to what you seem to wish, BOTH posts now going forward would need to be labeled... and all other posts interjecting other "sensitive topics" within unrelated debates will fall under the Community guidelines.

    (Again -- I *get* that BOTH sides see these completely differently... but for others it shows up as that age old argument of whether the "glass is half empty or half full.")

    I am incredibly sorry for your experience and that of anyone that has suffered the same. To state that "Admin doesn't care" when something is hurtful to others is not true.


    Kim - while I appreciate your idea and the desire to find a workable solution, I have read through all of the notes here along with the private messages and emails of those reading / participating throughout the site, more from various hosts, and including one from someone not a member but that follows the debates. All those received and posted here reflect a fairly balanced representation on how various people "see" the same thing. Again, that analogy mentioned above about "half empty / half full" comes to mind.

    You (and others on the same "side") viewed Bonita's post as unrelated to the topic. I get that you (general) disagree or feel that her point was irrelevant and only centered to make a point on the topic of abortion alone.... whereas others (incl. Bonita) viewed her post being centered on some wanting laws changed for what they deem as for the "greater good" in relation to gun rights in one instance despite the removal of "rights" of many, but applied the reverse in another instance (the latter being related to abortion rights.) <--Again, I *do* understand that not everyone agrees with her interpretation, but you are asking me to police "intent" to a fine degree.

    I realize that not everyone will be happy with the outlined solution at the top. I had hoped that my original note was adequate combined with our community guidelines. Since this does appear to be something that is important to many of you we will try this out over the next few months and revisit to see how it is working at that time.

    ~Missy

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