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    Quote Originally Posted by Potter75 View Post
    I know that those living in glass houses shouldn't throw stones, I do know that for sure. And I know that no one is perfect. And I think that no one has a perfect past. And I think that this womans past is not illegal. Unsavory, perhaps, but not illegal. No, I haven't filled out an app to be a teacher, but I helped my sister with her resume and helped her prepare for her background check ~ I don't recall any questions asking her (or my BIL) about a history in porn or work as exotic dancers. Thats kind of silly.

    You keep bringing qualifiers on her porn into this ~ wasn't doing it in a basement, wasn't doing it with her SO, wasn't just one video etc. Porn is Porn, no? She was single at the time, its not like she was having affairs on her spouse. She was having the same sex lots of single women have, she was just getting paid for it during a rough patch in her life. Does that really mean she can never have a legitimate job again? Seems like really really harsh justice. I can think of lots of people who have done immoral things, like cheating while married and putting it out there on the internet, who would be terrified at the thought of losing their jobs as a result. A good friend of mine just got busted having an affiar with her best friends husband ~ via the internet. Should she never be able to work again because she did something immoral and totally CRAPPY, but not illegal? It probably wouldn't seem fair to them (nor does it seem fair to me). People make mistakes, especially young people. Taking away their right to a career as a result seems really harsh.

    I would hope that the teachers union would find a way to help her. Maybe a name change and a relocation within the state to a new job at the elementary level or something. It just seems unfair to me that she has to lose a position she is trained for because of something unrelated from her past.
    The porn aside, what about lying to her boss when he asked about it. For example, Bill Clinton was impeached for lying, not for having an affair. If she had told the truth when asked about it, I think it would be a different situation. There are some mistakes you can make while young that will unfortunately follow you the rest of your life. I know someone who while in their very early 20's had a drug arrest. He completely cleaned up his life, but has had a very difficult time finding a job anywhere with a felony on his record.

    ETA - DH just corrected me and said he was a minor when he got the felony.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GloriaInTX View Post
    Her students did find out and were causing a disruption. That's how they found out. After the kids where talking about it the teachers looked it up to find what the kids were talking about.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alissa_Sal View Post
    I find this really frustrating. If her students had found out and it was causing a huge disruption, I could see how it is relevent, but even then one would hope that the school tried to work with her to find a solution before they fired her. The fact that her coworkers found out stirred up trouble makes it sound like a bunch of busybodies finding trouble where there didn't need to be any.

    I will have to ask DH if he signed a "morality clause" to work in public school. Even if he did, I can't imagine how things that he did before he was a teacher would be included. If, for example, he was a big drinker in college (he wasn't, but stay with me here) and now he's not, is that a problem for his "morality clause?" I just don't see it.

    Edit: Sorry, just re-read the article and saw that the students were the ones that found it. The first time I got confused by the line "No students were involved in this scandal" thinking that meant that no students had seen the video.

    I still wish they would have tried to find a way to work with her instead of firing her.
    No, it's not a problem with a "morality clause." If drinking started effecting his ability to teach, then it would be an issue. It's still not technically the "morality" of it, but the inability to effectively do his job.

    When I was 24 I started subbing for a...well...affluent, uppity area. I had very recently finalized my divorce and was adjusting to my new life as a single mom. While working as a long term sub, I was confronted by one of the parents about being an unwed mother! As though that would matter, but still it was just the idea that my morality was called into question by a parent like that!

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlyssaEimers View Post
    The porn aside, what about lying to her boss when he asked about it. For example, Bill Clinton was impeached for lying, not for having an affair. If she had told the truth when asked about it, I think it would be a different situation. There are some mistakes you can make while young that will unfortunately follow you the rest of your life. I know someone who while in their very early 20's had a drug arrest. He completely cleaned up his life, but has had a very difficult time finding a job anywhere with a felony on his record.

    ETA - DH just corrected me and said he was a minor when he got the felony.
    The case was never about "lying to her boss" it was about her involvement in porn. If she were fired for lying, there wouldn't have been a need for the ruling about the porn and whether it causes a distraction or not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Potter75 View Post
    I know that those living in glass houses shouldn't throw stones, I do know that for sure. And I know that no one is perfect. And I think that no one has a perfect past. And I think that this womans past is not illegal. Unsavory, perhaps, but not illegal. No, I haven't filled out an app to be a teacher, but I helped my sister with her resume and helped her prepare for her background check ~ I don't recall any questions asking her (or my BIL) about a history in porn or work as exotic dancers. Thats kind of silly.

    You keep bringing qualifiers on her porn into this ~ wasn't doing it in a basement, wasn't doing it with her SO, wasn't just one video etc. Porn is Porn, no? She was single at the time, its not like she was having affairs on her spouse. She was having the same sex lots of single women have, she was just getting paid for it during a rough patch in her life. Does that really mean she can never have a legitimate job again? Seems like really really harsh justice. I can think of lots of people who have done immoral things, like cheating while married and putting it out there on the internet, who would be terrified at the thought of losing their jobs as a result. A good friend of mine just got busted having an affiar with her best friends husband ~ via the internet. Should she never be able to work again because she did something immoral and totally CRAPPY, but not illegal? It probably wouldn't seem fair to them (nor does it seem fair to me). People make mistakes, especially young people. Taking away their right to a career as a result seems really harsh.

    I would hope that the teachers union would find a way to help her. Maybe a name change and a relocation within the state to a new job at the elementary level or something. It just seems unfair to me that she has to lose a position she is trained for because of something unrelated from her past.

    First bolded: Porn is porn? Not when you're getting paided to do it.

    second bolded: No, she can have a legitimate job....just not as a teacher (or any other profession where you sign a morality clause).

    If she had been honest with them when they asked, they probably could have moved her to another job in the state.

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    Getting paid to do it is what makes it porn. Otherwise it's sex.

    You have no basis at all for believing her honesty would have changed anything. It was the disruption which caused her dismissal. You can't prove in any way that honesty could have prevented said disruption.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Potter75 View Post
    You have no basis at all for believing her honesty would have changed anything. It was the disruption which caused her dismissal. You can't prove in any way that honesty could have prevented said disruption.
    You do not have to prove something to have an opinion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlyssaEimers View Post
    You do not have to prove something to have an opinion.
    In a debate it does help ones position.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Potter75 View Post
    In a debate it does help ones position.
    But it goes both ways. You can not prove the reason she was fired was not that she lied to her boss. All you have is the ability to form opinions from the evidence provided.


    ETA - This was not at all meant to be snarky. Just to say that in this debate, none of us were there, and neither side can "Prove" what happened. It is just opinion either way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AlyssaEimers View Post
    But it goes both ways. You can not prove the reason she was fired was not that she lied to her boss. All you have is the ability to form opinions from the evidence provided.


    ETA - This was not at all meant to be snarky. Just to say that in this debate, no of us were there, and neither side can "Prove" what happened. It is just opinion either way.
    Sure I can. Have you read the Article, Bonita? It states quite clearly why she was fired. It states it very clearly, in fact.

    Halas' decision to "engage in pornography was incompatible with her responsibilities as a role model for students and would present an insurmountable, recurring disruption to our schools should she be allowed to remain as a teacher," Chancer said in a statement.

    So stop picking at me and read more closely. She was fired for being a disruption. Not for lying.

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