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    Canada has death panels, and that’s a good thing.

    Is this a good or bad thing? Do the Canadians on this board agree with the article?

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    Sorry, this is a little too close to home right now...first anniversary of my mom's death. Will try and come back another time to reply.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mom2robbie View Post
    Sorry, this is a little too close to home right now...first anniversary of my mom's death. Will try and come back another time to reply.
    I am sorry. Please do not feel that you need to if you do not want to.

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    This isn't the first time this has happened in Canada. We debated this case before where the baby was moved to the United States.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mom2robbie View Post
    Sorry, this is a little too close to home right now...first anniversary of my mom's death. Will try and come back another time to reply.
    Another hug for you...

    To answer the debate, I think it's a good thing. Death should not be a drawn-out procedure. Say goodbye and let them go. There is no sense in keeping a brain-dead body "alive" at the cost of millions of dollars.
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    I don't think it would have cost millions of dollars to give that baby a tracheotomy so he could go home to die. I'm sure it did cost a lot more to have him flown to the U.S. for treatment just so he could go home and die in peace though. It just seemed like such a small thing to ask to be able to take your baby home to die, I sure wouldn't want some death panel making that decision.

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    The cost of keeping (sp?) Rasouli 'alive' is approximately $1 million per year. That's taxpayer money. Sure, we contribute to a certain point, as we should, but the amount the taxpayers contribute to life support when the patient is deemed to be brain dead with no chance of recovery is finite.

    Gloria, you seem to have a surprising amount of compassion for these patients. However, would you be okay contributing to the life support costs to keep a brain dead patient alive for potentially years and years? I would be shocked if you said yes.

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    When taxpayers provide only a finite number of acute care beds in public hospitals, a patient whose life has all but ended, but whose family insists on keeping her on life support, is occupying precious space that might otherwise house a patient whose best years are still ahead.
    The incentives in the American health care system point in the opposite direction. In the United States, keeping an all-but-dead patient alive on life support in a hospital bed generates income for the hospital, for as long as its bills get paid.
    This sums it up for me. I understand that families want to hold on to hope for as long as possible, and I'm not arguing that I wouldn't feel the same way. But, if a patient truly is brain dead with no hope of recovery, from a practical standpoint that only means that we are keeping the body in a living state after the part that most of us care about (the mind, or the soul if you believe in souls) appears to be departed, while potentially with holding limited resources from patients with a more hopeful outcome. It's a tragic situation and my heart goes out to those families, but at the end of the day I don't know that its in anyone's best interests to just prolong the body's death forever when the brain is already dead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ClairesMommy View Post
    The cost of keeping (sp?) Rasouli 'alive' is approximately $1 million per year. That's taxpayer money. Sure, we contribute to a certain point, as we should, but the amount the taxpayers contribute to life support when the patient is deemed to be brain dead with no chance of recovery is finite.

    Gloria, you seem to have a surprising amount of compassion for these patients. However, would you be okay contributing to the life support costs to keep a brain dead patient alive for potentially years and years? I would be shocked if you said yes.
    There are other alternatives than keeping someone in an expensive hospital, it isn't just an either or situation. He could be moved home or to a nursing facility.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GloriaInTX View Post
    There are other alternatives than keeping someone in an expensive hospital, it isn't just an either or situation. He could be moved home or to a nursing facility.
    I don't know about nursing homes in the US, but in Canada you will not find a patient on life support in a nursing home or palliative care facility. Palliative care is where people go to die, not to be kept artificially alive.

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