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    Quote Originally Posted by ClairesMommy View Post
    I really hope that's never the case, at least where Canada and the US are concerned.
    The only way to keep it from happening is for people to dig their heals in and fight. Not blindly trusting the Government to do whatever they think is best.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ftmom View Post
    But why not. I dont want a say in any particular case, but why is it wrong for us as a society to say that people deserve some dignity at the end of their lives, and there should be a point where the one person making medical decisions should be questioned as to their motives and their mental health. I would think making these decisions for another person could be very stressful and take a huge toll on someone. Why would we not support them.
    So we are like other cultures where the old are expected to kill themselves? I have seen nothing anywhere that would make this strictly stay with the 100 percent brain dead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ftmom View Post
    Could you cite this please. I am not seeing anywhere in the original article where it says they wanted to take him off life support right away. In fact the the family has believed he is improving since the recommendation was made, which makes me think it was not right away. And where does it say it had anything to do with money? It was because he had no prospect of recovery and is brain dead. The Drs believe it would be best for him as a person to not prolong his bodies suffering. The thing with the Canadian system is that the Drs get payed no matter who is in the bed, or what their issue is. They dont have to consider the costs or their pay in their recommendations.

    Parichehr Salasel wept for joy as she walked into her lawyer’s downtown office and heard that the Supreme Court had ruled in her favour, upholding an order that has kept her husband, Hassan Rasouli, on life-support for the past three years.
    The family refused to allow doctors to remove him from life support, sparking a three-year-long court battle that has taken them to the highest levels of justice in Toronto and Ottawa. Salasel, who trained as a physician in Iran, and her daughter, Mojgan Rasouli, have visited Hassan daily at Sunnybrook Hospital and say his condition is improving.
    “Little by little, his consciousness is getting more and more. His looking, to everybody, to movies, to pictures, changed. He understands everything but cannot respond,” said Salasel, speaking to the media Friday at Rasouli’s lawyer’s office. Salasel and Rasouli have two children, Mojgan and son Mehran.

    Hassan Rasouli's wife, Parichehr Salasel, and daughter Mojgan listen to their lawyer, Gary Hodder, explain their journey. Rasouli has been in a coma at Sunnybrook hospital for 3 years after contracting meningitis following surgery. Friday's ruling prevents doctors from being allowed to disconnect him from life support against the wishes of his family.

    When the case first went to trial he was comatose, said Salasel, but even then his family had faith that his condition would improve. “We were surprised and shocked, what doctors were seeking to get,” Mojgan said in an interview with the Star. “For us, it was obvious … that it was too early, premature diagnosis for him. He needed time. And he got the time. Everything changed. Even the doctors changed their diagnosis.”

    Salasel said the passage of time brought new responses from Hassan.
    “When I show him movies that he likes … he smiled,” she says. “Many signs I discovered in him that he is very aware. I asked him, ‘Open your mouth. Stick out your tongue.’ And he did, a lot of time.”

    His recovery was enough that, on Jan. 23, 2012, his condition was upgraded to “minimally conscious.”
    “Today he’ there, his life is within his body, in every single (one) of his veins,” said Mojgan. “As I said three years ago, he’s not able to communicate as usual, but he will communicate with us through his eyes, through grabbing our hands. I always feel his warmness of his hands.”
    Mojgan and Salasel said they planned to visit Hassan Friday afternoon and share the news with him. Then they will look to the medical staff for the way forward.
    “Doctors, because they were aware that changes were happening to my dad, they will show us next steps,” said Mojgan. “Maybe he needs to go to rehab for a few months, then we could be able to have him at home. Those things will be discussed later with doctors.”
    Life support ruling: Family remains hopeful for Hassan Rasouli's continued recovery | Toronto Star
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    Quote Originally Posted by AlyssaEimers View Post
    So we are like other cultures where the old are expected to kill themselves? I have seen nothing anywhere that would make this strictly stay with the 100 percent brain dead.
    No, but why is it strictly the family who gets to decide? Lots of people arent even that close with their families, what makes them better qualified to judge than others?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ftmom View Post
    No, but why is it strictly the family who gets to decide? Lots of people arent even that close with their families, what makes them better qualified to judge than others?
    If you not want your family to decide then you need to leave clear legal instructions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ftmom View Post
    Could you cite this please. I am not seeing anywhere in the original article where it says they wanted to take him off life support right away. In fact the the family has believed he is improving since the recommendation was made, which makes me think it was not right away. And where does it say it had anything to do with money? It was because he had no prospect of recovery and is brain dead. The Drs believe it would be best for him as a person to not prolong his bodies suffering. The thing with the Canadian system is that the Drs get payed no matter who is in the bed, or what their issue is. They dont have to consider the costs or their pay in their recommendations.
    Kyla, save your breath girl. The concept of a single payer healthcare system is just completely inconceivable to some people.
    Spacers, Jessica80 and blather like this.

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    So.....the system worked and he is now recovering? Why are we even discussing this 'death panel'? The Drs are no longer recommending removing life support, and havent been for awhile. The family is even happy to go back and work with those same Drs. There really doesnt seem to be a 'bad guy' in this whole scenario, but you seem to be trying to find one.

    BTW, why do we call it a death panel? Why not a life panel? Is it just for the shock value?
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    Quote Originally Posted by AlyssaEimers View Post
    If you not want your family to decide then you need to leave clear legal instructions.
    I agree. And if everyone had a living will this would not be an issue at all. However, not everyone does. Personally I dont really care what is going on with my body when my brain is dead, but would prefer for my families sake that they take me off life support. I have no living will. But lets say my mom ends up in charge of the decision. She just cant bear to have me 'die' before her, so she keeps me on life support indefinitely. This negatively impacts her life and the lives of my children who are unable to gain closure. I would hope that someone would step in eventually and look at her reasoning and what is best for me and my family and help her out. This sort of thing happens quite often from what I understand. The person whos responsibility it is to decide, cannot stand to 'kill' their family member. They need help making the decision. And lets not forget, that if the original case had gone to this 'life panel' the panel could have just as easily agreed with the family and said, yea, its too early to make that call, lets revisit in a year if nothing has changed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ClairesMommy View Post
    Kyla, save your breath girl. The concept of a single payer healthcare system is just completely inconceivable to some people.
    I JUST CANT STOP!!!!!

    I just dont understand how people can be so untrusting of other people. Though maybe it makes sense when their attitude seems to be, I want want what is best for me and my family, and screw the rest of the country! I suppose if everyone thought like this we would be in big trouble.
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    I have nothing more to add than to just say there are actually two different types of DNR orders, just in case any of you or any loved ones have living wills.

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