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Canadian federal election

Any Canadians (or anyone else) like to weigh in on yesterday's election? It was a jaw-dropping night, for ALL parties!

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Stephen Harper is the PC incumbent in my riding, so yeah, we were expecting another Con landslide in the west as usual. I cannot believe the drubbing the Libs took, losing something like 70+ seats!!!! I'm glad to see the NDP essentially switch seat #s with the Libs. Good for Jack Layton! I think that the whole overthrow of the govt, just a couple years after the vote of non-confidence, was ridiculous. Happy to have a majority govt, finally! And Iggy.....well he announced this morning he's quitting as Lib party leader. Uh, yeah....If you lose in your own riding it's a foregone conclusion you're out of a job.

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disappointed with the results. i prefer a minority government, especially when it's conservative...

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I can't believe the only government in history to have been found in contempt of parliament has gone on to form a majority. And the level of voter apathy - AGAIN. 61%. Ugh. I find it so frustrating that people don't care enough to get off their bums and vote!!!

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"Lemongirl" wrote:

I can't believe the only government in history to have been found in contempt of parliament has gone on to form a majority. And the level of voter apathy - AGAIN. 61%. Ugh. I find it so frustrating that people don't care enough to get off their bums and vote!!!

A federal election during Stanley Cup playoffs - not a good combination. Wink

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Yeah, I'm alright with the results. I knew NDP wouldn't win the majority. I was hoping they'd at least make official opposition which they did. And I'd prefer the Cons to the Libs, so that's fine with me.

I'm mostly annoyed with the voter turn out. I find it absolutely despicable that more registered voters don't get out there and vote. They make it so easy to do. Even advanced polling is easy, or mail in for pete's sake! There's no excuse.

I'm also giving major props to Liz May. She's rockin' it hard and I'm very thrilled she's got a seat!

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"JorgieGirl" wrote:

Yeah, I'm alright with the results. I knew NDP wouldn't win the majority. I was hoping they'd at least make official opposition which they did. And I'd prefer the Cons to the Libs, so that's fine with me.

I'm mostly annoyed with the voter turn out. I find it absolutely despicable that more registered voters don't get out there and vote. They make it so easy to do. Even advanced polling is easy, or mail in for pete's sake! There's no excuse.

I'm also giving major props to Liz May. She's rockin' it hard and I'm very thrilled she's got a seat!

I really like Jack Layton, but the NDP candidate in our riding is a total wanker. :BOO: Her official NDP webpage read like an obituary - listing where she was from, where she went to school, the stuff she liked to do - NOTHING whatsoever regarding her platform. Hello? It's great you're an RN and all, but why should I vote for you?????

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I'm thrilled with the results! NDP won our riding (as usual), but I was pulling for the Tory candidate.

It will be interesting to see what happens in 4 years. Will the NDP live up to the expectations they are set for themselves or will the Libs be back? Is the Bloc done forever or will a new separatist party crop up? What will the NDP cabinet look like since basically every seat they gained was by novice politicians in Quebec?

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"kris_w" wrote:

I'm thrilled with the results! NDP won our riding (as usual), but I was pulling for the Tory candidate.

It will be interesting to see what happens in 4 years. Will the NDP live up to the expectations they are set for themselves or will the Libs be back? Is the Bloc done forever or will a new separatist party crop up? What will the NDP cabinet look like since basically every seat they gained was by novice politicians in Quebec?

It was such a shame - the poor voter turnout - since our whole political landscape has changed so much overnight. Coming off a recent municipal election here where the turnout was sooooooooo high I guess I thought maybe the same thing would happen federally. lol...nope. With the Libs going down so hard it was, IMO, necessary that Michael Ignatieff go down too. The party needs to rebuild and I don't think it would be a successful rebuild with Iggy at the helm. Duceppe and Iggy, IMO, did very poorly in the debates. I just can't believe what's happened in PQ, with the Bloc basically close to decimation and the NDP being so heavily favoured there.

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I'm happy with the Conservative majority... I fully expected them to win, it was just a matter of whether it was to be a minority or majority. The problem with a minority government (regardless of who's the leading party) is NOTHING can get done because of course the opposition parties are usually going to vote against everything. At least now we can cut down on some of the antics and forego the back to back to back to back elections!!! Once we get the provincial election out of the way in the Fall we should be election free for at least 4 years! :woohoo: LOL

I was surprised at how much the Liberals were trounced... I guess, except for the time after Mulroney when the Cons were just about wiped out and the Bloc became the opposition, we just expect to have the Cons and the Libs alternating between forming the government or the opposition. Nice to see the end if Iggy though!! I think the Liberal party has a lot of work to do to build itself back up... if you look back, the last 3 elections they've won less and less seats. I'm sure they'll do it... just may take a bit of time like it did for the Conservatives.

As for the Bloc... BUH-BYE!!! LOL I'm sorry, but it's a JOKE to have them in the federal government IMO. Hello?? You want to split up the country... and you only run in ONE province? Just doesn't make sense to have them there at all. I think it should be required that a federal party be able/willing to run candidates in ALL ridings across the country... otherwise they're not truly federalist.

We're not entirely sure who won in our riding... it looks like the Conservative candidate beat out the 3-time (?) incumbent Liberal by only 14 votes. So while the Con is claiming victory, the Lib is not conceding because there has to be a mandatory recount. That was a big shock... don't like the Liberal guy but he's been around so long and while the other guy is a former school board trustee he just did not impress much of anybody at our local debates... so figured we'd end up with same-old-same-old. Didn't expect such a close race either.

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"Princess&ThePea" wrote:

The problem with a minority government (regardless of who's the leading party) is NOTHING can get done because of course the opposition parties are usually going to vote against everything.

ya but that's exactly it, just what kind of changes are going to happen now?

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"janijanis" wrote:

ya but that's exactly it, just what kind of changes are going to happen now?

I'm hoping for a tougher stance on crime, doing away with the long-gun registry, reducing the deficit to start...

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those are all fine and good, but i am worried more about privatizing health care, abortion rights, same sex marriage etc...

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"janijanis" wrote:

those are all fine and good, but i am worried more about privatizing health care, abortion rights, same sex marriage etc...

What about same sex marriage? Last time I checked it was legalized several years ago. Do you want it illegal?

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no, i don't want it illegal. do the conservatives??

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"janijanis" wrote:

no, i don't want it illegal. do the conservatives??

I thought Harper has said in the past that he was not going to reopen this nor the abortion issue.

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"janijanis" wrote:

no, i don't want it illegal. do the conservatives??

the CMA won't get overturned, no matter who is in power, majority or not. that bill took a ridiculously short amount of time to get enacted, like just a few months.

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ok well that is good to hear i must have missed that part. But, still not happy with the possibility of privatized health care.

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I'm OK with the results. I like the NDP and I want to trust them but I don't trust Bob Rae. I think that being the official opposition will be good for them. I do like Jack Layton.

But, in the end, I just don't believe they are as fiscally responsible as I'd like at this time of economic uncertainty. While the NDP budget would be appealing to me NOW with a young family, is it going to screw me over in 10 years when my life/work/income is more certain but the deficit is huge? I'm pleased with a conservative majority and very pleased with NDP as opposition.

I do share the same worries as a PP about the state of health care. I am very much in favour of public health care and am extremely concerned that it will become more privatized than it already is under Harper's Gov't.

I'm not at all concerned about abortion or gay marriage being overturned.

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I'm 100% for universal health care, BUT it isn't sustainable as is. Health care costs are enormous and growing at an astonishing rate. I would support at least considering some creative ways to make it work for the long haul. I don't know what it would look like, but I think it is time for discussion.

Harper has said repeatedly, that Canadian believe in our medical system and he isn't going to privatize it.

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I am not happy with a PC majority. I fear for our health care, social programming, the arts... there are just so many things I worry about with them in power. They are many of the same things that I have worried about under the Liberals and Gordon Campbell and we have seen privatization, cuts to social programs, cuts to the arts, low wages and high taxes.

I am thrilled that NDP is the opposition! I hope that they stay stronger from this. I am also thrilled that the Greens got a seat.

I think the Liberals need to find a good leader and rebuild the party. They haven't had a strong leader since Chretien. I hope that the BQ are done. I do wish that they had gotten a few more seats to give the PCs a bit more of a challenge. I prefer a minority government especially when it is PC!

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"kris_w" wrote:

I'm 100% for universal health care, BUT it isn't sustainable as is. Health care costs are enormous and growing at an astonishing rate. I would support at least considering some creative ways to make it work for the long haul. I don't know what it would look like, but I think it is time for discussion.

Harper has said repeatedly, that Canadian believe in our medical system and he isn't going to privatize it.

I fully support universal health care! But, no it isn't sustainable the way it is. I think it needs some work. I think that it should be a guarantee of affordable health coverage, but we do need to pay for it. I don't think it should be free. In many provinces people don't pay health premiums (I know they don't in Alberta) which is highly detrimental imo. In BC we pay with a sliding scale for premium assistance if you are below a certain income. Seems entirely reasonable to me.

I really hope that Harper isn't going to privatize health care. But I don't believe any of his promises until I see them happen. Campbell said there would be no HST and we are now having a referendum on whether to repeal the HST that he put in.

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ugh, the HST is a PITA you don't want it.

we don't pay anything here for health care except dental,eye, and prescription.(ontario) even still if you have good insurance you pay little or none.

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"janijanis" wrote:

ugh, the HST is a PITA you don't want it.

we don't pay anything here for health care except dental,eye, and prescription.(ontario) even still if you have good insurance you pay little or none.

Actually... in Ontario there is an Employee Health Tax (EHT... I think that's what it's called) that is taken off one's paycheque... it's been like this for awhile now but I'm not sure how it works (ie whether or not it's based on income/etc.)... I'll have to google it later. We can thank McGuinty for that one :rolleyes:

Eyes (at the optometrist... ophthalmologists are medical doctords and therefore obviously covered) are covered if one is under 19 or 65 and older. Do other provinces cover optometry for all or any ages? Personally I wish our health care would cover dental or at least part... it is SOOOO expensive. And unless you work for somebody with a really big, really good benefit package, dental is usually NOT included Sad

I totally agree about the HST! Harper has decreased the GST as promised by 2% since he got into power (it would be nice if he decided to decrease it some more but no clue if that's in the works or not) unlike the Liberals who swore after Mulroney that they would abolish it and then didn't even touch it.

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we have OHIP it comes from our income taxes i believe so we do pay somewhat. i meant that we don't pay directly it is just automatically taken off so i don't miss it. i pay like 5% for dental but i have good benefits.

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I lived in Ontario for a good part of my life. Now I'm in Alberta. Healthcare here has gone down the crapper. We used to pay a quarterly premium of about $44 (if your employer didn't pay it on your behalf, which many did), but Steady Eddie did away with that and subsequently wait times for elective surgeries has about tripled and ER wait times has exploded (you can now wait up to 16+ hours at an ER in Calgary), just to name a couple things. While I'm anxious to see what the feds do about healthcare, I know that here, at least, it's the provincial gov't that will either make or break the system.

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I am thrilled about the New Democrat opposition. This is a huge deal, and I am so happy.

I am worried about some of the parachute candidates in Quebec, especially because they do not have riding associations in most cases. If they put their all into it, however, I know that Quebeckers will back them again in October 2015.

I am very worried about the Conservative majority. A lot of former Reformers in Alberta abstained from voting, because they see this Conservative party as being big on pork-barreling and completely spendthrift. Harper is anti-democratic, he was found in contempt of Parliament, he won't take questions from anyone, and couldn't give a crap about anyone else, especially in his own party.

Looks like Harper is already in trouble for campaigning on election day, so who knows, he might be gone and a new CON PM will be in.

I have been an ND supporter all my life, and I wish I could say that Canadians share my support of the entire ND policy book, but I don't think that's it, unfortunately. A lot of the support came from the fact that the other parties just exploded. Canadians don't like dirty tricks, they hate the SUN Media/Ezra Levant tv station and its Fox-style fake reporting, they don't like attack ads, and they were pretty vocal about it.

The UK has a binding alternative voting referendum coming up this week. It's time for Canada to do the same. 60% of voters did not want the Conservatives but still have to pay for their fighter jets and other war toys. First past the post sucks. Of course, the Conservatives will never change something that gave them an undeserved majority.

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"Princess&ThePea" wrote:

Actually... in Ontario there is an Employee Health Tax (EHT... I think that's what it's called) that is taken off one's paycheque... it's been like this for awhile now but I'm not sure how it works (ie whether or not it's based on income/etc.)... I'll have to google it later. We can thank McGuinty for that one :rolleyes:

Eyes (at the optometrist... ophthalmologists are medical doctords and therefore obviously covered) are covered if one is under 19 or 65 and older. Do other provinces cover optometry for all or any ages? Personally I wish our health care would cover dental or at least part... it is SOOOO expensive. And unless you work for somebody with a really big, really good benefit package, dental is usually NOT included Sad

I totally agree about the HST! Harper has decreased the GST as promised by 2% since he got into power (it would be nice if he decided to decrease it some more but no clue if that's in the works or not) unlike the Liberals who swore after Mulroney that they would abolish it and then didn't even touch it.

They don't cover optometry (or very little if you qualify) or dental here. I really wished there was some kind of dental coverage. It is hugely expensive. The best I have found is a dentist who will take a payment plan.

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Anyone willing to give me a history lesson? Not until I read this did I realize how little I know about Canada and how it works?

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First past the post sucks

Oh yeah. That is always my huge issue at election time. I have no love for our electoral system.

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"AlyssaEimers" wrote:

Anyone willing to give me a history lesson? Not until I read this did I realize how little I know about Canada and how it works?

In a nutshell...

Unlike the US, we've got multiple federal parties. The Conservatives are right wing (socially and fiscally), the NDP is left (socially and fiscally), the Liberals used to be more in the middle but have been heading leftwards. The Bloc Quebecois only runs in Quebec and is in support of Quebec sovereignty. There are a handful of independents and smaller parties, the Green Party being the most serious of those.

For the last few years, the Conservatives have had a minority govt, meaning if the other parties join forces they have more votes in parliament and can vote down any bills. The Liberals forced an election (our 4th in like 8 years) saying our PM was in contempt of parliament.

Traditionally, either the Libs and Cons form the govt and official opposition, but this year the Lib Party was a disaster and the NDP won a ton of seats, so they are the opposition (2nd place). The Cons did win a majority (so they have more seats then the other parties
combined.

Interestingly, all the NDP gains were from Quebec and the Bloc only holds 4 (out of 308) seats.

Also, the Green Party leader won a seat for the first time.

This election was crazy. No one expected these outcomes and it all shifted in the last couple weeks before election day.

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Thanks for the explanation.