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    yeah 40 is nothing here. When it's in the teens to single digits and wind chill is -4 it is a much different story.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wlillie View Post
    I don't know exactly where you are, but I'm from Louisiana, so anything below 40 is cold to me.
    Side bar, but this made me giggle. According to my car, it was about 40 this morning when I was taking T to daycare and going to work, and it felt positively balmy to me after yesterday's cold front. I'm wearing a long cotton peasant skirt, no tights or hose, Mary Janes, a t shirt, and a loose weave sweater. No coat. I actually thought about you guys this morning when I put T in the car because he's wearing his hoodie instead of his parka. I didn't know if that counts as safe or if he needs to be stripped to his skin... 40 feels lovely to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by freddieflounder101 View Post
    I think you don't know what REAL cold is. Taking my coat off in winter in a cold car is my nightmare. I am Canadian and still have no resistance to low temperatures. In the depths of winter, when thick coats are needed, it's a pretty big deal to make a kid remove it. Putting it on top is not the same and doesn't keep them as warm.

    I get a chill in my bones in October that doesn't depart until July....my husband sometimes thinks I'm lying about being Canadian.
    I do though. We rode together to work right after a blizzard/ice storm and Michael made a minor bad decision that ended up with me having to walk holding the baby a quarter of a mile in -degree weather and I have no clue what the windshield was. That, I needed a coat for; inside my car with no wind hitting me (because windshield temperature doesn't matter in the slightest when you are inside the vehicle), there may be a want for a coat, but to me, I would take it off no matter the temperature because if it's that cold then the conditions on the road are probably pretty bad too. I've left the jeep running for a half hour in the morning (turned on as soon as I woke up and we don't have remote start) before to make sure it was warm enough to not have a coat. I just can't handle knowing it isn't safe and choosing the convenience of leaving it on but I do lots of things that I know others wouldn't so am definitely not judging.

    Jessica, it gets colder than 40, I was simply saying that where I'm from and how I'm acclimated means that I"m cold a lot faster than most people. So if I take my coat off and didn't for my kid, it would be neglectful. I choose to be uncomfortable until/if the car warms up (can't put a coat on backwards and drive safely), so I choose that my child may be uncomfortable while I get him settled.

    We've been blessed with a nanny this time around so I don't have to deal with cold as much, but I would still make the same choice if there were two and I had daycare to deal with and it was in the negative temperatures. I may be the only one on this debate that feels that way, but I do know I'm not the only person who does in general. We may be going to Alaska instead of Germany and I'm 100% sure the kids' coats will come off before they get strapped in. It's just one of my hangups.

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    Where I grew up in Montana sometimes it got to -20 with a -40 wind chill with the wind coming down from Canada. It hurts even to breathe at those temps no way would I take off my coat. If you take off your coat and get chilled it takes forever to warm back up, I can remember plenty of times going places that the car didn't even get warm by the time we got to whatever location we were going to. Sometimes the windows didn't even clear by that time and we would be looking out the little circles in the windshield that we scraped off.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wlillie View Post
    I left the car warming while I went inside for daycare, heated it up in the morning and did errands without the kid when we were in Nebraska or just dealt with it. I honestly don't care what ya'll do with your coat/seatbelt/harness situation, I'm just saying it was important to *me.* I'm sure I do tons of things others wouldn't do. Carseats are just one of my I'd rather be safe (read: anal) than sorry buttons. Taking off the coat for the 45 seconds it takes to put them in the harness just isn't enough of a reason to take the chance that the seat doesn't work properly. You put it right back on them as soon as they are in the seat, just in front instead of in back.

    ftmom-do you put something in between you and the seats? That just doesn't make sense to me. I also take off my coat since it's safer. I don't know exactly where you are, but I'm from Louisiana, so anything below 40 is cold to me.
    Yes, my jacket I wouldnt even dream of taking my jacket off in the car, and I generally let it warm up for 10-20 minutes before hand in the morning. I even wear gloves to drive because it is too cold to touch the steering wheel.

    I hear you on the cold is relative thing (I am from Vancouver Island. Before I moved here I thought -5c was cold). I just think that people who have never lived in extreme cold temperatures really have no idea what it is like. Your skin can literally freeze in a very short time.
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    It's 60 here and I'm in a long sleeved shirt with jeans and real shoes!! So when I say it's important enough for me to take my coat off in - temperatures, you know it's serious. I literally sobbed for half an hour because someone stole my coat out of the Kohls dressing room when most people weren't wearing one!!! And I'm very very very honest and seriously had to make myself give up the parka the Air Force issues in Nebraska because I knew there was a slight chance we'd be going somewhere cold after Mississippi. Knowing I could get into trouble and it would be stealing!!!!

    Anyway, I hate extreme temperatures either way, but definitely feel the cold long before I feel the heat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wlillie View Post
    I do though. We rode together to work right after a blizzard/ice storm and Michael made a minor bad decision that ended up with me having to walk holding the baby a quarter of a mile in -degree weather and I have no clue what the windshield was. That, I needed a coat for; inside my car with no wind hitting me (because windshield temperature doesn't matter in the slightest when you are inside the vehicle), there may be a want for a coat, but to me, I would take it off no matter the temperature because if it's that cold then the conditions on the road are probably pretty bad too. I've left the jeep running for a half hour in the morning (turned on as soon as I woke up and we don't have remote start) before to make sure it was warm enough to not have a coat. I just can't handle knowing it isn't safe and choosing the convenience of leaving it on but I do lots of things that I know others wouldn't so am definitely not judging.

    Jessica, it gets colder than 40, I was simply saying that where I'm from and how I'm acclimated means that I"m cold a lot faster than most people. So if I take my coat off and didn't for my kid, it would be neglectful. I choose to be uncomfortable until/if the car warms up (can't put a coat on backwards and drive safely), so I choose that my child may be uncomfortable while I get him settled.

    We've been blessed with a nanny this time around so I don't have to deal with cold as much, but I would still make the same choice if there were two and I had daycare to deal with and it was in the negative temperatures. I may be the only one on this debate that feels that way, but I do know I'm not the only person who does in general. We may be going to Alaska instead of Germany and I'm 100% sure the kids' coats will come off before they get strapped in. It's just one of my hangups.
    The bolded is what I have an issue with in everything you have said, and it is that attitude that gets to me in debates on this. Although it is more convenient to leave the jackets on, that is not my main reason for doing so. When you live where I do the cold can kill. Not only does it freeze skin, but it can shut down a body, especially a little one, in a very short period of time. I have chosen to not risk this with my children. Sure I can warm the car up before we go anywhere, but in the event of an accident, I refuse to rely on a blanket, or backwards jacket to stay on my child and keep them warm enough. For me, a jacket is very much a safety consideration, and a very important one at that. While for you it may be a black and white 'jacket off safe, jacket on not safe', for me it is more about playing the odds and weighing one type of safety against another. I suspect if you move to Alaska it will not be such an easy choice for you either, though you may still choose to remove coats.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ftmom View Post
    Yes, my jacket I wouldnt even dream of taking my jacket off in the car, and I generally let it warm up for 10-20 minutes before hand in the morning. I even wear gloves to drive because it is too cold to touch the steering wheel.

    I hear you on the cold is relative thing (I am from Vancouver Island. Before I moved here I thought -5c was cold). I just think that people who have never lived in extreme cold temperatures really have no idea what it is like. Your skin can literally freeze in a very short time.
    Where I live, it's illegal to warm up the car for more than 3 minutes. You're simply not allowed to leave it idling.
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    Quote Originally Posted by freddieflounder101 View Post
    I think you don't know what REAL cold is. Taking my coat off in winter in a cold car is my nightmare. I am Canadian and still have no resistance to low temperatures. In the depths of winter, when thick coats are needed, it's a pretty big deal to make a kid remove it. Putting it on top is not the same and doesn't keep them as warm.

    I get a chill in my bones in October that doesn't depart until July....my husband sometimes thinks I'm lying about being Canadian.
    I got frostbite once when I tried to start my car without my gloves on. Seriously. The ignition was frozen solid, as was the engine. Part of my finger turned purple and I lost feeling in it. Ask most Canadians if they have a block heater in their car and the answer will be a resounding hell ya.

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    Quote Originally Posted by freddieflounder101 View Post
    Where I live, it's illegal to warm up the car for more than 3 minutes. You're simply not allowed to leave it idling.
    I guess the remote car starter business isn't exactly booming where you live. I have one because we don't have a garage. I couldn't get through a winter without it.

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