So if there is a fossil hat and fossil bears why again aren't there any fossil people even remotely near dinosaurs? I mean- doesn't the "fossils are so easy to make" thing sortov work against your idea that prehistoric people were amazing seismologists/geologists/fortune tellers able to better predict volcanic eriptions than modern man and whatnot? It just doesn't add up to me. I'm still curious about the claim that they were able to stay far away from dinosaurs- what do you think earths climate was like then where earth could support human life and massive land animals like the fossils that have been found in separate places?
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People have not been found fossilized near dinos.. doesn't mean they didn't live at the same time.. simply means they were not buried at the same time at the same place.. however, other mammals and "modern" birds have been found fossilized with dinosaurs.
DH-Aug 30th 1997 Josiah - 6/3/02 Isaac 7/31/03
Wanted to address the number of people on the earth at the time of the flood - according to Genesis Noah's Flood happened around 2348 BC - Adam lived 930 yrs he could have known Noah's Father Lamech ..
According to the timeline laid out genologically in the Bible
the Flood happened 1656 years after Adam was created.
Mathematically - it is not possible to know what values to put in .. alot of assumptions have to be made. Biblically people lived longer about 800-900 years was a normal lifespan till after the flood, after that it was dramatically less.
People were told to be fruitful and multiply and Noah had his three sons when he was in his hundreds.. he may have had girls earlier but they are not mentioned.. it is not known if he had other sons that turned away from the Lord either, as they are not mentioned.. so that would be presumptive..
After the flood man essentially started over (not to unlike an evolutionary idea) we all came from a set of DNA.. creationists agree with evolutionists here.. There were Noah his wife his 3 sons and their wives.. it doesn't indicate what the wives looked like so them having all the DNA needed for current racial differences doesn't seem to be outside the realm of scientific nor religious probability.
After the Tower of Babel later in Genesis it is talked about people's languages being confused and them heading in different directions.
Keep in mind genealogically in the Bible most of the lineage both Jewish/Israelite/Hebrew/Christian were traced paternally and often no mention were made of women in the Bible or Torah.
There is mention of how people lived, and if people are similar in thought over the last 5000 years why would they live with large animals? Even if the large animals didn't eat them.. they could destroy villages etc just like an elephant herd on the run etc.
DH-Aug 30th 1997 Josiah - 6/3/02 Isaac 7/31/03
I hope I look kick-a$$ when I'm 600 or 900 years old or whatever. I should get on the botox now.
No, not the Botox. The treadmill. Gotta keep those 600-year-old muscles from atrophying.
I've had so much fun reading this thread. Sorry I can't participate because I'd probably get banned for saying what I really think, but y'all are giving me a lot of good laughs before bed the last few nights. People & dinosaurs together on the ark, tigers & my little house cat evolving from the same ancestor in less than 4000 years, fossilized hats, what fun! Carry on, now!
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Because humans are one of the most if not the most adaptable animals on the planet and aren't known for their qualities of "shying away from spreading" How long have humans lived with elephants....a pretty long time.There is mention of how people lived, and if people are similar in thought over the last 5000 years why would they live with large animals? Even if the large animals didn't eat them.. they could destroy villages etc just like an elephant herd on the run etc.
Really this conversation is going to go nowhere. One side is going to find it absurd and the other is going to do whatever they can to make it all make sense.
I mean really, believe it all you want. The only thing that really gets me is trying to use these theories of fake fossils and bogus ancient artificats (seriously....any reading about these outside of creationist sources are hilariously pitiful) to prove your points. Trying to use bad..no not bad, TERRIBLE, science to debunk actual science.
If you are going to believe in some world made a few thousand years ago in 7 days, i like Bonita's explaination earlier a lot more. That God did it in 7 days and just purposely made all this fake, sort-of-real-but-its-really-fake stuff in it. Lets keep the super natural, super natural.
But to talk about how science is wrong, and then try to use fossilized hats subject to entirely different conditions than other types of fossils, or a hammer stuck in old geological rock that has never been proven to actually be PART of that geological formation...
really, its just shameful.
It is shameful and it's why people lose respect for the view. It would be so much more honorable or relatable to just say "I don't know how or why God did it and I realize that it doesn't seem to jive with scientific theory. But I have faith in gods word being true as a believer- and that's good enough for me".
This sneering at real science stuff and grasping at the least plausible truth (people back then didn't die from volcanoes? They em walked underwater? C'mon Dino eggs and baby tigers?.) makes people not have any respect for anything about the belief, in truth.