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    Quote Originally Posted by Rivergallery View Post
    Sin caused death.. So humanity killed the mammoth.
    Really? So all of the extinct animals has nothing to do with the fact that our earth simply can't sustain such huge popluations of resource consuming organisims?

    far as I know clones can not reproduce.
    There are many articles on this topic of 'de-extinction'...that don't once say "Besides, there is no point in discussing this because they would never be able to reproduce"

    Apparently some scientists feel its possible to clone them with the ability to reproduce as well.

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    I do not see the value in cloning a mammoth. I mean, why would you do it? I do see value in learning to clone human organs. If you needed a kidney or heart transplant, being able to clone your own that was a perfect match. Cloning entire humans or animals though would bring up so many ethical questions though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rivergallery View Post
    Sin caused death.. So humanity killed the mammoth.

    far are introducing variety of species to other areas.. far as I know clones can not reproduce.
    Point a. That is bizarre. But you also believe that the earth is only like 5000 years old amiright? So perhaps debating the intersection of science and ethics will prove impossible for us.

    Point b. that is not accurate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Potter75 View Post
    Point a. That is bizarre. But you also believe that the earth is only like 5000 years old amiright? So perhaps debating the intersection of science and ethics will prove impossible for us.

    Point b. that is not accurate.
    a- "bizarre" is rude. probably is an impossible conversation I agree.
    b- I didn't know they couldn't reproduce.. So lets go from there.. is it the reproducing and entering them into our native environment that is "wrong" or is it creating them in the first place... what if we created them and put them only in captive environments?


    ETA- maybe too late.. Meant to write.. I didn't know that clones COULD reproduce.
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    I don't get it. Why wouldn't they be able to reproduce?

    That's kind of beside the point for me though. Once we have one (or many) we would either have to introduce them into the wild (which seems like a bad idea since we are talking about introducing an animal to an ecosystem that has not evolved to include them) or keep them in captivity forever which IMO is mean. Why create an animal for the sole purpose of keeping them in cages?

    In fairness, I admit that I'm a big old hypocrite who takes my kids to the zoo, and I can't really explain why it's worse to create an animal and put it in a zoo than it is to take an existing animal and either breed it or capture it and put it in a zoo. So there's that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rivergallery View Post
    Sin caused death.. So humanity killed the mammoth.
    This is a total side note, but do you believe that there are animals (like dinosaurs) that went extinct before humanity?
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    It is not rude. Nowhere ever have I heard the "sin" hypothesis discussed when tossing around theories on what causes extinction of dinosaurs or other large land animals.

    B. There is no "native" environment for a wooly mammoth. Wooly Mammoths are extinct. I don't understand your question as a result of that fact.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alissa_Sal View Post
    This is a total side note, but do you believe that there are animals (like dinosaurs) that went extinct before humanity?
    nope. sin caused death.. there was no death before original sin. sin was caused by Adam and Eve.

    However - there could have been animals die before man died sure.. but it wasn't before there were humans on the earth.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alissa_Sal View Post
    I don't get it. Why wouldn't they be able to reproduce?

    That's kind of beside the point for me though. Once we have one (or many) we would either have to introduce them into the wild (which seems like a bad idea since we are talking about introducing an animal to an ecosystem that has not evolved to include them) or keep them in captivity forever which IMO is mean. Why create an animal for the sole purpose of keeping them in cages?

    In fairness, I admit that I'm a big old hypocrite who takes my kids to the zoo, and I can't really explain why it's worse to create an animal and put it in a zoo than it is to take an existing animal and either breed it or capture it and put it in a zoo. So there's that.
    When they first were being cloned the public was told they couldn't reproduce.. ie Dolly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Potter75 View Post
    It is not rude. Nowhere ever have I heard the "sin" hypothesis discussed when tossing around theories on what causes extinction of dinosaurs or other large land animals.

    B. There is no "native" environment for a wooly mammoth. Wooly Mammoths are extinct. I don't understand your question as a result of that fact.
    native might be the wrong word.. but were were talking about non-native species being introduced to other ecosystems and them decimating the native population.
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