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    Quote Originally Posted by GloriaInTX View Post
    I once believed that it wasn't literal days, that a day to God could have been a longer period. Until we had a speaker talking about the science of it, and he mentioned that if God made plants on day 3... the day and night light cycles on day 4... and insects and birds on day 5... if that were a period of a thousand years or something how would the plants have survived for that period of time without insects to pollenate them or the light cycles they need? They are dependent on insects and birds. So that theory just doesn't work.
    I thought that death was caused by man...who didn't even exist yet at that point. So why would we be worried about plants dying from scientific reasons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KimPossible View Post
    I thought that death was caused by man...who didn't even exist yet at that point. So why would we be worried about plants dying from scientific reasons.

    Yes, Gloria, could you explain that? Or maybe Rivergallery could? Since death wasn't introduced until the fall, these plants were immune to scientific death, right? Like, lack of food wouldn't have killed them any more than the saber tooth tiger having to live on plants would have killed it, I suppose? Until the apple, right? I mean, how else would you explain a carnivores mouth in a world where no death existed, right?

    So on day 6 you really think that it was a 24 hour day, God made EACH type of animal, and then beside being making Adam, GOd realized he was lonely (he got lonely so fast! Typical man!) , so he put him to sleep to take his rib, made eve, woke everybody up, and then explained all the details of the food rules and stuff, THEN made Adam named every single animal in the entire world? That is some 24 hours! No wonder they got Sunday off! Heck, I'd be tired too!
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    Quote Originally Posted by GloriaInTX View Post
    I once believed that it wasn't literal days, that a day to God could have been a longer period. Until we had a speaker talking about the science of it, and he mentioned that if God made plants on day 3... the day and night light cycles on day 4... and insects and birds on day 5... if that were a period of a thousand years or something how would the plants have survived for that period of time without insects to pollenate them or the light cycles they need? They are dependent on insects and birds. So that theory just doesn't work.
    Surely a god that is capable of creating an entire universe of planets and stars, and that is capable of creating all the plants that inhabit the Earth, would be capable of creating plants that could live without light or insects or birds for some extended period of time?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Potter75 View Post
    Yes, Gloria, could you explain that? Or maybe Rivergallery could? Since death wasn't introduced until the fall, these plants were immune to scientific death, right? Like, lack of food wouldn't have killed them any more than the saber tooth tiger having to live on plants would have killed it, I suppose? Until the apple, right? I mean, how else would you explain a carnivores mouth in a world where no death existed, right?

    So on day 6 you really think that it was a 24 hour day, God made EACH type of animal, and then beside being making Adam, GOd realized he was lonely (he got lonely so fast! Typical man!) , so he put him to sleep to take his rib, made eve, woke everybody up, and then explained all the details of the food rules and stuff, THEN made Adam named every single animal in the entire world? That is some 24 hours! No wonder they got Sunday off! Heck, I'd be tired too!
    Well for one thing I don't think plants and animals are in the same category as far as death is concerned, since plants don't have the breath of life. As for the other, yes I think God is well capable of doing all that in 24 hours. I don't put limitations on God. I don't see how it would be any different to believe God could do all that in one day than to believe he could do it in a thousand years.

    There was only one rule.. so not sure how that takes long to explain. As far as naming the animals, it wouldn't really take that long to name each species, that doesn't mean he gave each individual type of animal a name. Cats, dogs, horses, sheep, cows, elephants.... I mean how long does it really take to make that list? Pretty sure I could do it in a day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spacers View Post
    Surely a god that is capable of creating an entire universe of planets and stars, and that is capable of creating all the plants that inhabit the Earth, would be capable of creating plants that could live without light or insects or birds for some extended period of time?
    And if he is capable of creating all that.... why couldn't he do it in six days?
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    Quote Originally Posted by GloriaInTX View Post
    Well for one thing I don't think plants and animals are in the same category as far as death is concerned, since plants don't have the breath of life. As for the other, yes I think God is well capable of doing all that in 24 hours. I don't put limitations on God. I don't see how it would be any different to believe God could do all that in one day than to believe he could do it in a thousand years.
    Well then i don't see how you could use any wordly based reason such as "The plants would die or be unfertile without bugs"...because if he can do all that in one day, he could also leave the plants full of life and reproductive without bugs and just incorporated bugs into the mix later. This whole 24 hour day theory is totally out of the realm of the science of the world, it makes nose sense to use science (like plants need bugs) to actually prove that they were truly 24 hour days.

    Know what I mean? I mean, you can believe that, i get that people do...but don't try to use science of all things to explain why the world MUST have been created in such a small time span. There is no science at all behind this belief, its a "God can do whatever he wants and has no boundaries" explanation.....i can't imagine why you would get this explanation about bugs and plants and then think "OH! Well that makes perfect sense then!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by GloriaInTX View Post
    As far as naming the animals, it wouldn't really take that long to name each species, that doesn't mean he gave each individual type of animal a name. Cats, dogs, horses, sheep, cows, elephants.... I mean how long does it really take to make that list? Pretty sure I could do it in a day.
    Thats true. If we are talking species, I mean. There are only 8.7 million different ones, and since you don't believe in evolution there were 8.7 million then, too. But he probably only did the land animals, right? So really just 6.5 million.

    I'm sure you could do that in a day. I don't know that I could.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KimPossible View Post
    Well then i don't see how you could use any wordly based reason such as "The plants would die or be unfertile without bugs"...because if he can do all that in one day, he could also leave the plants full of life and reproductive without bugs and just incorporated bugs into the mix later. This whole 24 hour day theory is totally out of the realm of the science of the world, it makes nose sense to use science (like plants need bugs) to actually prove that they were truly 24 hour days.

    Know what I mean? I mean, you can believe that, i get that people do...but don't try to use science of all things to explain why the world MUST have been created in such a small time span. There is no science at all behind this belief, its a "God can do whatever he wants and has no boundaries" explanation.....i can't imagine why you would get this explanation about bugs and plants and then think "OH! Well that makes perfect sense then!"
    Well that is only one piece of it. Besides the fact that the Bible SAYS it was one day, and there is nothing else that proves otherwise. There is no other theory of how life came to exist that has a shred of evidence either. Even evolution over the billions of years that scientists think happened from a single cell is mathematically impossible.

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    There is a difference between macro-evolution and micro-evolution. I know many, many people that believe in a literal 6 day creation. I do not know anyone that does not believe in micro evolution.

    What is the difference between Microevolution and Macroevolution?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlyssaEimers View Post
    There is a difference between macro-evolution and micro-evolution. I know many, many people that believe in a literal 6 day creation. I do not know anyone that does not believe in micro evolution.

    What is the difference between Microevolution and Macroevolution?
    So maybe .... What? Only 3 million then? 1 million? What's your guess on how many Adam had to name that day?

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