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    Teen: Suspended for Confederate flag on truck - New York News

    Sorry, I can't copy the article from my Kindle. Basically a teenager was suspended for having a Confederate flag on his truck. Right or wrong decision by the school?

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    "Them trying to make me take it down is unconstitutional," Vied said.
    He is mistaken.

    Vied's three-day suspension was cut to one day after the ACLU sent a letter to the principal stating that school officials would have to prove the banned speech would "materially and substantially" disrupt operations at the school.
    Even the ACLU concedes that having the flag on his car may be unconstitutional.

    I don't know the demographics of his area, but where I live and work, the Confederate flag is nothing more than symbolic hate speech. the Tinker test would show a clear justification for banning it.

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    When I lived in NY I though Southerners who had a Confederate flag were trying to be hateful. Now that I have lived in the South for 14 years I realise that is not the case. It is a symbol of the South. Like sweat tea and fried chicken. That time in our history did happen. Lots of people died and it is a huge part of the culture here. I personally know many people who are in support of the Confederate flag that would be strongly against slavery. It simply is not a racist symbols here. Let me try to find another way to explain. I know someone who is from Ohio. He is a huge Buckeyes fan. If someone talks about Ohio he cheers. That just means he is proud of where he is from. Not that he hates everyone else. No different than Americans singing Good bless America and caring an American flag. You are saying that you are proud of where you are from. Not that you hate everyone else.

    I will say that I did not understand this growing up. I clearly remember my fifth great teacher telling the class that Southerners still thought the civil war was still being fought. That is not what the Confederate flag is about anymore.

    All of that said, I do believe that schools should be able to make whatever rules they deem necessary. Not knowing this boy personally, he may have met it in a bullying or hateful way. I do not think though that the Confederate flag is inherently bad. It is a very common sight around here. Much of the civil war was fought here. There are many parks and battlefields. They are not all from only a Northerners point of view.
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    I was unaware the Buckeyes had a history of hatred.

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    The school has a right to ask him to remove it if it is disrupting the learning process for others.
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    Does this kid (as well as a bunch of people you know) realize what this represents? Why did this flag exist in the first place? Why is this something you want to use to stand for your pride?

    In order to show that we are proud of an area we are from or our heritage, the best representation of that is one that reflects hate towards others? I mean, I know I think "slavery" every time I see it. There is a stigma attached to that flag just as there is a stigma attached swastikas and KKK hoods.

    This kid is from New Jersey, what southern heritage is he speaking of anyway? When did New Jersey become the south?
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    So I guess Bo and Luke Duke would be suspended these days for driving the General Lee to school.
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    Possibly. That car could clearly be deemed a distraction to learning.

    And of course Daisy's shorts too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ethanwinfield View Post
    I was unaware the Buckeyes had a history of hatred.
    To the people here, the confederate flag is not about hatred. It is about where they came from. That would be like saying a German person could not fly a German flag because they are ashamed of the holocaust. Germany is so much more than just that one aspect of their past. The South is also so much more than just slavery. Banning the confederate flag is equivalent to forbidding any history of an entire generation of our past.

    I understand the POV that the Confederate flag only stands for slavery, but that is a very Northern POV. I do not believe that most people here think of it that way. (Obviously I have not met and spoke to every single Southerner. Just speaking of the people I do know) It would be the equivalent of saying that because Americans acted shamefully with the forced internment camps for the Japanese Americans during WW2, that we should never again fly an American flag. The American flag stands for an entire country and years of history. Not just one aspect of that history. It is the same with the Confederate flag.

    I thought of this debate as I took my daughters to piano lessons today. I passed a few different Confederate flags. I do not believe their intent is to show anything other than Southern pride. Also, the piano lessons are in GA (We live right on the TN/GA line), and the Confederate flag and the State of GA flag are very similar to the first Confederate flag.

    Now I will say that unfortunately there are also some truly racist people out there. That is a tragedy. I am sure that there are some of these people that do use the Confederate flag in a hateful way. They are not the majority though. A minority. I think another example would be a school banning anyone from wearing the color red because that was a local gang's colors. Wearing red is not inherently bad, but a few people put their twist on it and made it their symbol.
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    I also wanted to add that there are still a great many people here who believe that the States should be able to make their own decisions. (Not that Slavery is right, obviously that is a terrible awful thing) That the Federal Government should just leave them alone to govern themselves. I think you would find many people in both the North and the South that would feel that way. The Confederate flag is also a symbol of this. Of the States having the right to govern themselves without outside interference.

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