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    I agree; it depends on how it is used.

    If I went to work one day and saw a Confederate flag at someone's desk, I would be very uncomfortable. I presume that all the black people in the office would feel the same way.

    There are lovely traditions from the South that have nothing to do with the Confederacy. There's a tradition of food, I think some of the country's best writers have come from there. It was and is a rich culture. But you can celebrate that without being threatening to others, and I think it should matter to you to do so.
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    Quote Originally Posted by freddieflounder101 View Post
    There are lovely traditions from the South that have nothing to do with the Confederacy. There's a tradition of food, I think some of the country's best writers have come from there. It was and is a rich culture. But you can celebrate that without being threatening to others, and I think it should matter to you to do so.
    I will agree it will depend on context. In NY if I were to see a Confederate flag I would think it was a bit odd. Here, I would think nothing at all of seeing a Confederate flag. It is a normal part of life here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ethanwinfield View Post
    Well, if the admin has legitimate concern for the car getting vandalized or the owner of the car getting jumped, he/she has a duty to do try to prevent that from happening. Freedom of speech (including symbolic) is not absolute when it comes to the school setting.

    With regards to the Confederate flag, it truly depends on the demographics of the school and larger community.

    Just because it is in the parking lot doesn't automatically mean is isn't distracting the learning process. If a (presumably) white student showed up with that at several of our local high schools, some students would be planning when and where they would be meeting up. Other students would be spreading the details. Others would be rallying around the student. So yeah, even though it's in the "parking lot" it's distracting the learning process.

    I completely agree with the Tinker decision which is why I don't believe it is an all-or-nothing situation. I don't know the demographics or culture of where this happened (other than NJ). So I don't know whether his suspension was justified due to a larger threat to the learning process or not.

    It isn't always what it is, sometimes it's how it is used.
    If they were concerned with the vehicle being vandalized or the child being "jumped" they suspend them? I still say things outside school should not be cause for suspension.. inside sure outside nope.. not even drug use or violent activity.. leave that to the police. If you are worried for their safety or view it as a hate crime call the cops.. talk to the parents.. or leave it alone. Grow a pair.. seriously.. are we not free to have different ideas.. even it is freedom to "hate" though I disagree that flying this flag alone indicates hate. We allow people to burn our own US flag, but they can't fly this one?.. What??
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rivergallery View Post
    If they were concerned with the vehicle being vandalized or the child being "jumped" they suspend them? I still say things outside school should not be cause for suspension.. inside sure outside nope.. not even drug use or violent activity.. leave that to the police. If you are worried for their safety or view it as a hate crime call the cops.. talk to the parents.. or leave it alone. Grow a pair.. seriously.. are we not free to have different ideas.. even it is freedom to "hate" though I disagree that flying this flag alone indicates hate. We allow people to burn our own US flag, but they can't fly this one?.. What??
    Well I think the school might have a say in what's on school property if it's disruptive. I think every situation is different. But if a kid had a swastika on his car, I'd expect the school to demand that it stay out of the parking lot.

    If a kid had a picture of a burning American flag on his car, same issue.

    So Confederate flag raises the same issues.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rivergallery View Post
    If they were concerned with the vehicle being vandalized or the child being "jumped" they suspend them?
    A New Jersey high school student says he was suspended from school after refusing to remove a Confederate flag on his truck.
    He wasn't suspended for having it. He was suspended for refusing to remove it.


    I still say things outside school should not be cause for suspension.. inside sure outside nope.. not even drug use or violent activity.. leave that to the police. If you are worried for their safety or view it as a hate crime call the cops.. talk to the parents.. or leave it alone. Grow a pair.. seriously.. ?
    Okay...parking on school property falls under the jurisdiction of the school.

    When it comes to schools, the laws are different - I can legally buy and posses cigarettes. However, I cannot have them on school property. If I worked just about anywhere else, I could have cigarettes in my car and park on company property.

    There are crimes that are fall under both. If a student has an illegal substance on school grounds, he/she can be suspended AND face criminal charges.

    Just curious: At your place of employment (any place of employment past or present), if you committed a crime at work, wouldn't you face both criminal consequences and employment consequences?


    are we not free to have different ideas.. even it is freedom to "hate" though I disagree that flying this flag alone indicates hate. We allow people to burn our own US flag, but they can't fly this one?.. What?
    Again, this is at a school. Yes, we have the right to fly the Confederate flag and burn the US flag. Do you really think burning the US flag on school property would be without consequences?

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    I know this post might bother some, so please feel free to skip past it.

    I just drove past a Confederate Flag on my way to and from a book store and it made me think of this debate more. I believe abortion is every bit as wrong/horrible as slavery and that it is a very dark part of our history. (I know you all do not agree, but that is my opinion) There are many, many people that agree with me. If the tide was ever turned and abortion was abolished, would your entire history be defined by that one controversial subject? Would you want your fight to make your own laws to not be remembered? Would you stop being American because what was once accepted and considered normal was no longer accepted?

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    Confederate flags are common in Texas and I wouldn't think twice if I saw someone with one or even wearing a bandana or something with a Confederate flag. I think that people make way too much of it and this kid probably grew up somewhere where it wasn't a big deal. People here would not link it with slavery at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AlyssaEimers View Post
    I know this post might bother some, so please feel free to skip past it.

    I just drove past a Confederate Flag on my way to and from a book store and it made me think of this debate more. I believe abortion is every bit as wrong/horrible as slavery and that it is a very dark part of our history. (I know you all do not agree, but that is my opinion) There are many, many people that agree with me. If the tide was ever turned and abortion was abolished, would your entire history be defined by that one controversial subject? Would you want your fight to make your own laws to not be remembered? Would you stop being American because what was once accepted and considered normal was no longer accepted?
    Is there a "symbol" for abortion that people display? Is there anyone who's PROUD of abortion? Even people who get abortions aren't proud of them. Even those of us who are pro-choice think abortions are a tragedy. It's not a comparison that really works.

    I am pro-choice but not pro-abortion. I don't advocate abortion. I'm not proud that people get them although I have held friends' hands through it all. It's not even close.

    I don't understand being proud of the Confederacy. I understand being proud of your rich Southern culture. What's wrong with displaying your state flag instead?
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    I have a lot of family in the south, none of them associate the flag with slavery. They all associate it with states rights, and southern pride. I really do understand the negativity that is associated, and the assumption of bigotry. But I think that within cultures there are things that are considered acceptable that people out of that culture do not understand. Look at the n word used within the Black community, specifically the rap community. It is totally accepted, and does not have racist intent. But people outside that community can not use it without being judged a racist.

    My husband once bought a truck with a confederate flag painted on the tail gate, when he went and had it repainted the guy that ran the body shop was from the south. He and Dave had a great conversation about what the flag means to him and opposed to the rest of the world. Really changed my mind about what I think when I see the flag. We chose to paint over it because we are not from the south and did not feel a connection to the flag.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GloriaInTX View Post
    Confederate flags are common in Texas and I wouldn't think twice if I saw someone with one or even wearing a bandana or something with a Confederate flag. I think that people make way too much of it and this kid probably grew up somewhere where it wasn't a big deal. People here would not link it with slavery at all.
    It says in the article that it was "a connection to his relatives of the South." It doesn't say he grew up in the South, which might make more sense.

    Some people dismiss it as less than it was.

    He's in NJ; not TX. If it isn't a problem in TX, this never would have made news. He wouldn't have been suspended.

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