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    Quote Originally Posted by GloriaInTX View Post
    No it doesn't. It symbolizes rebels or rednecks. YOU, personally may not see it as such. But that doesn't change it. The flag he had wasn't even a true flag it had REDNECK in huge letters written across it. The principle at this school just decided to go overboard on the politically correct scale.
    Wait. So now it also symbolizes rednecks?

    The term Redneck is chiefly used for a poor rural white person of the Southern United States. It can be a derogatory slang term similar in meaning to cracker (especially regarding Georgia and Florida), hillbilly (especially regarding Appalachia and the Ozarks), and white trash (but without the last term's suggestions of immorality).
    What does it mean to all the non-rednecks in the South?

    You really can't define what something means to other people. I am fully aware that if I travel to other areas, I don't get to define what things mean to the people I meet. Likewise, if you travel to my little corner of the world, the Confederate flag is going to symbolize racism.

    Take tipping for example. To me it is an act of appreciation. If I travel to other countries it would behoove me to research what it means to others. I can't just scream from the top of my lungs that tipping is an act of appreciation and therefore you can't be offended by it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ethanwinfield View Post
    Wait. So now it also symbolizes rednecks?
    I have never heard of someone else say that the Confederate flag symbolizes rednecks. Neither have I heard the term rednecks used in a positive way.

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    From Dictionary.com

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    red?neck

    [red-nek] Show IPA Informal: Often Disparaging.

    noun 1. an uneducated white farm laborer, especially from the South.

    2. a bigot or reactionary, especially from the rural working class.


    adjective 3. Also, red-necked. narrow, prejudiced, or reactionary: a redneck attitude. Synonyms: biased, narrow-minded, intolerant. Antonyms: fair-minded, open-minded, broad-minded, tolerant, unbiased, impartial
    I think most people associate rednecks with being prejudiced and intolerant of black people, Jewish people, gay people, etc. It's not about being working class, it's about being narrow-minded.

    Certainly in New Jersey this is the case. The Confederate flag absolutely represents racism in this part of the country. I don't doubt that it has a very different connotation in the deep south, but New Jersey is not the deep south.
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    I always think of Jeff Foxworthy when I think of the term redneck. And someone who is not very smart or educated.

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    Websters is
    1 sometimes disparaging : a white member of the Southern rural laboring class
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    often disparaging : a person whose behavior and opinions are similar to those attributed to rednecks


    I do not see it as a negative... I see rural laboring classes as some of the most hardworking people on the planet.. so.. I do not see the word badly. Though people use it as a negative term.. it is used by people who think they are close minded etc... But the first definition should not be a negative..
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    I don't see why it matters what it means to people living in Tennessee and Texas, or any other place besides NJ. Different culture different people. Its a distraction and the school has a right to request its removal if its going to be parked on their property.

    The kid is in NJ, Southerners, not enough people think the way you think there, thus it causes problems.

    End of story.

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    Quote Originally Posted by freddieflounder101 View Post
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    I think most people associate rednecks with being prejudiced and intolerant of black people, Jewish people, gay people, etc. It's not about being working class, it's about being narrow-minded.

    Certainly in New Jersey this is the case. The Confederate flag absolutely represents racism in this part of the country. I don't doubt that it has a very different connotation in the deep south, but New Jersey is not the deep south.
    Yeah this is another one of those cultural things where people interpret it very differently depending on where they are. People up here by me identify with the term 'redneck' and it means none of those things. People love to use the term up here simply to refer to their rural culture.

    Like i'll give you an example, one summer on the way to a town far away we drove through an extremely rural area. As we were driving down this rural route we passed two full grown adult guys in their white undershirts. One was driving a dirt bike and he was pulling the other guy behind him on a plastic sled...just for ****s and giggles.

    Thats was a very redneck thing to be doing by the cultural standards up here. They may hate black people, they may not. But whether they do or not does not make them a redneck, the fact that they were in their undershirts yehawing it on a dirtbike and plastic sled did. (Because you know, they live on this rural road in the middle of nowhere. I mean what else are you going to do on a Saturday afternoon)
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    KimPossible = your description is simply what RURAL people do..... for fun.. has nothing to do with the South. So now... Rural people can't be proud and have a FLAG at school...

    This would in essence mean a huge 4x4 with mud on the side.. from going muddin after school... or a gun rack in the back (oh you are right no guns allowed on campus's anymore)... even though our kids start learning to shoot when they are about 6yo and mine is getting his first gun at 12 yo..

    I do see your POINT in social groups... but we are in the USA... right? We are going to start legislating people out of their own cultures if they move to a different location? or if they identify with a different culture? Sounds a bit like what happened with the Native Americans.. just on a more spread out diluted scale so it has been subversively accepted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KimPossible View Post
    Yeah this is another one of those cultural things where people interpret it very differently depending on where they are. People up here by me identify with the term 'redneck' and it means none of those things. People love to use the term up here simply to refer to their rural culture.

    Like i'll give you an example, one summer on the way to a town far away we drove through an extremely rural area. As we were driving down this rural route we passed two full grown adult guys in their white undershirts. One was driving a dirt bike and he was pulling the other guy behind him on a plastic sled...just for ****s and giggles.

    Thats was a very redneck thing to be doing by the cultural standards up here. They may hate black people, they may not. But whether they do or not does not make them a redneck, the fact that they were in their undershirts yehawing it on a dirtbike and plastic sled did. (Because you know, they live on this rural road in the middle of nowhere. I mean what else are you going to do on a Saturday afternoon)
    This is also what I think of as redneck.
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    I don't see why it matters what it means to people living in Tennessee and Texas, or any other place besides NJ. Different culture different people. Its a distraction and the school has a right to request its removal if its going to be parked on their property.

    The kid is in NJ, Southerners, not enough people think the way you think there, thus it causes problems.

    End of story.
    My point was never that this boy should be allowed to have a confederate flag on his truck, but that the Confederate flag is not always bad or always means bad things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rivergallery View Post
    KimPossible = your description is simply what RURAL people do..... for fun.. has nothing to do with the South. So now... Rural people can't be proud and have a FLAG at school...
    I wasn't talking about the south. I was responding to Lauries comment about the term redneck and what it means and how it varies from one place to another. Just like your cultural view of the confederate flag. I never said my description had anything to do with southern people. Unless you are claiming the only people who can use the term redneck are southerners.

    This would in essence mean a huge 4x4 with mud on the side.. from going muddin after school... or a gun rack in the back (oh you are right no guns allowed on campus's anymore)... even though our kids start learning to shoot when they are about 6yo and mine is getting his first gun at 12 yo..
    Yeah i think you just misunderstood the point i was making in response to Laurie, it really had nothing to do with the original debate, only this idea that redneck can be equated with a bigot. Just saying its not universally true.

    I do see your POINT in social groups... but we are in the USA... right? We are going to start legislating people out of their own cultures if they move to a different location? or if they identify with a different culture? Sounds a bit like what happened with the Native Americans.. just on a more spread out diluted scale so it has been subversively accepted.
    No, its just that you can't cause disruption at a school no matter WHAT your culture is.

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