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    Quote Originally Posted by Potter75 View Post
    Thank you, you are right. I was feeling frustrated after her personal attack on me last night. Please forgive me Bonita. It is difficult when you continue to just jump in without debating and then jump out. I'm glad that you are done doing that. Please accept my apology.
    Thank you. I would like to be able to debate abortion, but not if every idea I suggest is called silly or stupid.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AlyssaEimers View Post
    Thank you. I would like to be able to debate abortion, but not if every idea I suggest is called silly or stupid.

    If you'd like to have a discussion not related to the debate why don't you take it to PM? I apologized to you, if you would like to continue the discussion you can do it privately. This debate is about the air force, not how you debate abortion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mom3girls View Post
    Harassment and sharing faith are 2 very different things. Harassment should be punished. Sharing faith should be totally acceptable in any work environment
    I would be beyond offended if a coworker took it upon themself to 'share' their faith with me. How presumptious. I don't walk around blaspheming the Lord or JC or spewing atheist belief (not that I'm an atheist). I could get fired for that. Why would doing tht opposite be okay?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ClairesMommy View Post
    I would be beyond offended if a coworker took it upon themself to 'share' their faith with me. How presumptious. I don't walk around blaspheming the Lord or JC or spewing atheist belief (not that I'm an atheist). I could get fired for that. Why would doing tht opposite be okay?
    Would a military person be court martialed for blaspheming the Lord or spewing atheist belief? My understanding is that there is a ton of profanity which in my opinion is just as offensive. Free speech is just that. I would hate the idea that I had to monitor everything I said to anyone. Who is going to draw the line of what is just conversation and what is not. Is there going to be a rule that no religion or politics can be discussed in the military? It is not like the military is 9-5 like a normal job. To many people their religion is very important to them. Forbidding them to discuss it would take a huge part of them away. It is a MAJOR breach of their constitutional rights. If you were going to ban all conversation that could possibly offend someone, you would have to ban all swearing a cursing, all talk of politics, all talk of most things we debate on this board, and pretty much all talk of anything other than the weather. We all know that is not how it works in the military. Talking about and sharing about your faith should not be singled out as a taboo subject. To be honest, the idea that I would not be aloud to talk about my faith is extremely offensive to me. Why is one persons offence able to trample the constitutional rights of others?

    Again, I am not talking about harassment. If you are talking to someone about something and they tell you to stop or that you are bothering them, that is different than carrying on a conversation.
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    There is a massive difference between talking about your faith and trying to convince others to share it. Some people don't really understand that line. (No, I don't mean you, just speaking broadly.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by freddieflounder101 View Post
    There is a massive difference between talking about your faith and trying to convince others to share it. Some people don't really understand that line. (No, I don't mean you, just speaking broadly.)
    My goodness, thank you. Its really bewildering that people are getting all worked up without focusing on what is actually being banned. I bolded it and defined it for them. Its so simple.
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    In my experience, people are going to talk to others about what they are into and want them to join them. That goes for someone who is on the weight loss band wagon, on a fad diet, super big on going to the gym, eating a certain way, if they are in a new job like Mary Kay or other similar business, if they are all about a new lotion, or many other things. It is just how people are.

    You share about the things that are important to you and you hope that people will share in those things as well.

    Let me give an example. Say someone was passionate about exercising and eating right. It would be natural to tell their friends in talking to them about their exercising and eating. It would also be normal to invite the person they were talking to join them. Even to explain the benefits of a good diet and exercising and really encourage them to participate. Now I would hope at that point if the person still said they were not interested the person would stop talking about it and change the subject. There is nothing wrong however with sharing your lifestyle with someone. I have also known people who have crossed over into harassment in their believe that everyone should eat and exercising as they do. Most people know they need to eat better and exercise more, but someone who is sensitive in this area is not going to enjoy being nagged about it. Would you like it if it became illegal to try to get someone you care about to eat better? Even mentioning the idea to them meant that you could be prosecuted?
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    Bonita, I disagree. I'm on Weight Watchers, I do yoga, and I discuss these things with co-workers and never, ever try to get them to do the same. I bake healthy things and bring them in and when someone else bakes and brings me something I never tell them to stop using white sugar or butter even though those are the things I do.

    Even when I felt I had to have a health conversation with my husband, I didn't bring it up casually....I waited for the right time and we had a big heart-to-heart. I would never have a conversation like that at work. It's inappropriate and it puts pressure on people. I can't imagine telling someone at work that they should eat better or exercise, even as I change my own lifestyle and feel better for it. It's not okay. And I would be very annoyed by someone else doing that to me.
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    I want to add that as important as your Christianity is to you, my atheism is to me. It's not an absence of belief, it's a carefully thought out belief that means a great deal to me in terms of how I view the world. I wouldn't go up to a practicing Christian and try to talk them into another religion, but atheists don't get that respect at all. My beliefs matter.
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    My goodness if I tried to sell Mary Kay at my old career I would be taken to task with HR. Ditto selling Jesus.

    And holy cow ~ I go to the gym and am passionate about health ~ but never ever bring it up, and actually HATE it when people bring it up or assume certain things about my lifestyle or whatnot because of my body type or whatever. I would never, EVER bring up my personal fitness regime or whatever in my workplace. People simply don't like that sort of thing, at all. If someone asked me if I liked XY or Z yes I would talk about it with them, but no way ~ ever, would I preach a certain way of eating or working out to my colleagues, it would be wildly presumptious and would not win me any friends. People don't like being judged.

    People also super hate being made to feel as though they are going to hell. I promise.

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