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    Side bar - The bitterness of both sides of this debate is what makes the term "Happy Holidays" more than just a simple greeting. The fact that people were so offended by the site of the nativity made it so that it had to be taken down. That is taking away from the people that have had it there for years. Let me try to explain. If I gave my daughter a cookie every day after school for years, and I had told my daughter that today after school I would give her a cookie, then there happened to be another child here so I told my daughter that she could not have the cookie because someone else was here and they might feel bad, I can see my daughter feeling resentful towards the visitor because she made it so she could not have what she wanted. It is the same idea. It is not the Christians fault that someone else came on the scene and was bothered by the decorations. It is still taking away something that they have enjoyed and looked forward to for years. That is going to cause a lot of bitterness and hurt on both sides of the isle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlyssaEimers View Post
    Side bar - The bitterness of both sides of this debate is what makes the term "Happy Holidays" more than just a simple greeting. The fact that people were so offended by the site of the nativity made it so that it had to be taken down. That is taking away from the people that have had it there for years. Let me try to explain. If I gave my daughter a cookie every day after school for years, and I had told my daughter that today after school I would give her a cookie, then there happened to be another child here so I told my daughter that she could not have the cookie because someone else was here and they might feel bad, I can see my daughter feeling resentful towards the visitor because she made it so she could not have what she wanted. It is the same idea. It is not the Christians fault that someone else came on the scene and was bothered by the decorations. It is still taking away something that they have enjoyed and looked forward to for years. That is going to cause a lot of bitterness and hurt on both sides of the isle.
    I might be wrong on this but I don't think that they are offended by the sight of the Nativity scene as much as they feel it doesn't belong on public property that is supported by tax dollars.

    With your cookie example, would you be happy with the opposite. Giving your daughter a cookie while your guest had none? Yeah she might be resentful at first but then she would learn that being fair to all was the more important lesson..am I right?

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    Bonita - The Nativity didn't get taken down - it's probably sitting on the median as we speak!

    In another city, they didn't put up the Nativity either because they didn't get a slot (since they were all taken - through the legal process set up by the city) or because the city decided to stop doing the program because people defaced all of the atheist signs (not sure which reason exactly since both happened.)

    It seems to me that Christians want to be able to put up their stuff on public property, and they say that it's fair because others are allowed to do it too, but when others do it, they don't like it, and even deface the signs, and people talk like "Well, that's what they have coming to them." Like, if I don't like something, I just have the right to vandalize it even though it's there legally? Nice to know.

    I've said from the beginning, I don't get why this stuff has to be on public property, but if we're going to do it that way, that's fine, as long as everyone else has the same ability to apply for permits and put the stuff up legally just like Christians. I thought that sounded fair. But when atheist groups actually follow the law, apply for the permits legally, and put their stuff up, they are called "disgusting" and "spiteful." Reminds me of that old Clash song "You have the right to free speech....as long as you're not dumb enough to actually try it!" Which brings me back to my original opinion that we should just leave this stuff off of public land. I'll hang my oh so offensive "Happy Holidays" signs on my own house.
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    Vandalism and being mean is never justified either. I would agree that is not very Christian behaviour either. I like your original idea of whoever wants to being able to set up a display. To relate it to the cookie illustration it would be like instead of saying you can't have a cookie, saying "Lets break the cookie in half and let you both have some".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spacers View Post
    I also enjoy a lot of things that have a religious base to them -- artwork, Christmas carols, I've visited nearly all of the California Missions -- just not at the park.
    So do you think this buddha statue should be removed from the Japanese Gardens? It is on public land.

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    I'm cool with the Buddha statue. If some people defaced the statue and the city decided that they weren't going to do any religious statues anywhere any more because they don't want to deal with people acting like children, would you say "The Buddhists ruined it for everyone!"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alissa_Sal View Post
    I'm cool with the Buddha statue. If some people defaced the statue and the city decided that they weren't going to do any religious statues anywhere any more because they don't want to deal with people acting like children, would you say "The Buddhists ruined it for everyone!"
    Of course you are cool with it because it is only Christians that people complain about. I have no problem with it either, but why haven't the Atheists in San Francisco protested against this Buddha statue being on public land? If it was a cross there or a statue of Jesus you can bet they would have filed suit by now.
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    I already said repeatedly that I am okay with Christians putting up a Nativity scene as long as everyone else has an equal opportunity to put up their stuff too, so I'm not sure why you're so certain that I'm only okay with it because it's not a Christian thing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GloriaInTX View Post
    So do you think this buddha statue should be removed from the Japanese Gardens? It is on public land.
    It's in a Japanese Tea Garden, which is an entirely appropriate setting for a symbol of Asian culture. There's also a replica of an ancient Shinto Temple in there and I have no problem with it -- in there. If either of those were out in another area of the park, that wouldn't be cool.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alissa_Sal View Post
    I already said repeatedly that I am okay with Christians putting up a Nativity scene as long as everyone else has an equal opportunity to put up their stuff too, so I'm not sure why you're so certain that I'm only okay with it because it's not a Christian thing.
    Except that putting up a hateful sign is not the same as putting something up for people to enjoy. It's not like the
    Atheists put up a nice statue or something in place of the Nativity scenes they took the slots of. Which is why they were doing it out of spite just so other's couldn't enjoy it. Instead of defending them I think you should be embarrassed of the image they give of Atheists.
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