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    Quote Originally Posted by Spacers View Post
    It's in a Japanese Tea Garden, which is an entirely appropriate setting for a symbol of Asian culture. There's also a replica of an ancient Shinto Temple in there and I have no problem with it -- in there. If either of those were out in another area of the park, that wouldn't be cool.
    That is just plain hypocritical. So a buddist statue is cultural but Nativity scenes at Christmas in an 80% Christian nation aren't?
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    Quote Originally Posted by GloriaInTX View Post
    Except that putting up a hateful sign is not the same as putting something up for people to enjoy. It's not like the
    Atheists put up a nice statue or something in place of the Nativity scenes they took the slots of. Which is why they were doing it out of spite just so other's couldn't enjoy it. Instead of defending them I think you should be embarrassed of the image they give of Atheists.
    Thanks for the tip. I think you should be ashamed of Christians that deface other people's property that has been legally placed after following the correct legal channels. It's funny how we atheists are always told that if we don't like something (like a prayer being led by a school before a football game) then we should just put on our big kid pants and ignore it, but if other groups don't like something we do, we should totally expect to have our stuff smashed. Which, we do, to be honest. I would be flabbergasted if anyone who placed those atheist signs was actually surprised that people defaced them. It doesn't take much to get our stuff defaced; for example signs that say "Are you good for goodness sake?" or "Don't believe in god? You're not alone" get defaced with equal abandon. So, yeah, we do expect it. It's not shocking.
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    Do you have any examples of these "hateful signs" that you claim were put up? Half of the spaces the secular groups won (not all were atheists) weren't even filled. The one I keep hearing about showed pictures of Poseidon, Jesus, Santa Claus and the devil and said: "37 million Americans know myths when they see them. What myths do you see?" How is that hateful?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alissa_Sal View Post
    I already said repeatedly that I am okay with Christians putting up a Nativity scene as long as everyone else has an equal opportunity to put up their stuff too, so I'm not sure why you're so certain that I'm only okay with it because it's not a Christian thing.
    You said you were ok with both being put up which I think is great. Others said that no one should be allowed to have anything.

    I do agree that a nativity scene is just as cultural in America as Buda is in Japan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GloriaInTX View Post
    That is just plain hypocritical. So a buddist statue is cultural but Nativity scenes at Christmas in an 80% Christian nation aren't?
    Christians are only 73% of the population according to 2012 statistics. And yes, a statue of the the Buddha is cultural. He was a real person whose influence touches many Asian cultures.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spacers View Post
    Christians are only 73% of the population according to 2012 statistics. And yes, a statue of the the Buddha is cultural. He was a real person whose influence touches many Asian cultures.
    Do you think Jesus was not a real man that influenced American culture? Whether or not you believe in the Christian religion, it is still a huge part of our history.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spacers View Post
    Do you have any examples of these "hateful signs" that you claim were put up? Half of the spaces the secular groups won (not all were atheists) weren't even filled. The one I keep hearing about showed pictures of Poseidon, Jesus, Santa Claus and the devil and said: "37 million Americans know myths when they see them. What myths do you see?" How is that hateful?
    I'm sure people came from all over the city to view this sign which was put up in place of something that thousands enjoyed every year. That is hateful in my view. They didn't put something else up for people to enjoy just a sign putting down others.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spacers View Post
    Christians are only 73% of the population according to 2012 statistics. And yes, a statue of the the Buddha is cultural. He was a real person whose influence touches many Asian cultures.
    Ya just an excuse to try to pretend it is not hypocritcal. You go ahead and tell yourself that Buddha is cultural but Jesus is not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GloriaInTX View Post
    I'm sure people came from all over the city to view this sign which was put up in place of something that thousands enjoyed every year. That is hateful in my view. They didn't put something else up for people to enjoy just a sign putting down others.
    How is this quote incorrect or even an insult?

    From dictionary.com -

    Myth - a traditional or legendary story, usually concerning some being or hero or event, with or without a determinable basis of fact or a natural explanation, especially one that is concerned with deities or demigods and explains some practice, rite, or phenomenon of nature.
    Fable -
    a short tale to teach a moral lesson, often with animals or inanimate objects as characters; apologue: the fable of the tortoise and the hare; Aesop's fables.
    a story about supernatural or extraordinary persons or incidents; legend: the fables of gods and heroes.
    Religious stories are legendary stories about god(s), often meant to teach moral lessons. That is exactly what myths and fables are, that's what those words mean.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alissa_Sal View Post
    How is this quote incorrect or even an insult?

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    Religious stories are legendary stories about god(s), often meant to teach moral lessons. That is exactly what myths and fables are, that's what those words mean.
    The Bible isn't a legendary story. It is historical fact, as is Jesus. There are historical records proving that Jesus lived, and backing up many events from the Bible. So it IS an insult to Christians AND incorrect.

    --And it was MEANT to be an insult but the people who put it there.
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