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    Quote Originally Posted by Potter75 View Post
    It is hilarious to me that upwards of 75% of the WORLDS population is lactose intolerant yet people argue that milk is some perfectly normal food for humans to consume As to missing ice cream have you tried the So Delicious coconut milk ice creams? Divine
    That is high. It's closer to 60%.
    Interestingly enough it's an evolution thing. Countries that have been herders that choose to drink milk have developed the ability to digest it. Like european people, and their descendants.

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    Well, you don't live in asia or africa, so thats probably why Amazingly, they live, and are actually very healthy, despite not drinking milk (don't tell the National Dairy Council this)!
    Did you know that the maasai people in africa drink the cattle milk AND their blood? They definitely drink milk in some countries out there.

    Oh, and you're totally right, the people of Africa and lots of Asia are totally known for their super healthiness and their diet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Potter75 View Post
    *shrugs* I don't know. Read their research. I couldn't cross reference it with anything from the bible, but there seems to be a lot about it in these research papers.
    Ha Ha ya that would be hard to do, since according to the Bible people have only existed for 6,000 years.

    Pretty scientific basing a whole theory like this on the ancient DNA of 3 individuals in Sweden.
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    Nothing personal Susan, while those links you provided were super well written, I don't believe you have done half of the research on the subject that I have, and I think that were we to compare diets and relative health we would find that we have drastically different lifestyles, so I'm just not compelled to debate this with you, especially given the snark you are already bringing into your reply.

    They just published the list of the worlds healthiest nations a few weeks ago. Japan won, again. Very low dairy consumption, interestingly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GloriaInTX View Post
    Ha Ha ya that would be hard to do, since according to the Bible people have only existed for 6,000 years.

    Pretty scientific basing a whole theory like this on the ancient DNA of 3 individuals in Sweden.

    Yes........that was my point. My point was that actual science doesn't mean much to someone who believes that

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    Quote Originally Posted by Potter75 View Post
    I couldn't cross reference it with anything from the bible, but there seems to be a lot about it in these research papers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Potter75 View Post
    Nothing personal Susan, while those links you provided were super well written, I don't believe you have done half of the research on the subject that I have, and I think that were we to compare diets and relative health we would find that we have drastically different lifestyles, so I'm just not compelled to debate this with you, especially given the snark you are already bringing into your reply.

    They just published the list of the worlds healthiest nations a few weeks ago. Japan won, again. Very low dairy consumption, interestingly.
    You can believe what you want to, seriously. But you not believing does not make the research irrelevant. And it certainly doesn't sway me on the argument. I'm sorry you think I'm ignorant on the subject just because I don't happen to think you are right. I have actually done research even if it doesn't make me agree with you.

    If you choose to keep milk out of you home super for you! I'm glad you and yours are healthy. But no need to hurt the country's dairy farmers wih rumors that aren't true.

    I'm not saying milk is insanely important for people to be healthy. I'm not saying it's a necessary food. And I'm certainly not saying that you can't be super healthy without it. I'm just saying it's not the evil devil you make it out to be. It causes breast cancer and obesity as much as immunizations cause autism.


    And Japan is a definite exception when we are talking about nutrition in africa and asia. I think we can agree that most countries do not get the same access as they do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Potter75 View Post
    It is hilarious to me that upwards of 75% of the WORLDS population is lactose intolerant yet people argue that milk is some perfectly normal food for humans to consume As to missing ice cream have you tried the So Delicious coconut milk ice creams? Divine
    Have not tried but will since coconut milk in ice cream could not be a better combination, IMO.

    While it's only been a few months since I was diagnosed as LI (and I did the whole fasting serum blood test and failed miserably) I have likely been so to some degree my entire life. I remember getting cramps and stomach upset from time to time, esp after drinking a glass of milk with no food or eating ice cream, but it was sporadic at best so hard to connect the dots. Then the bottom fell out last year and I suffered with terrible cramps and bouts of chronic diarrhea for about 9 months until I got tested. Lightbulb moment, and I felt so dumb for not making the connection before. And, I was a dairy addict. I don't drink milk anymore, or even Lactaid straight up because I hate the taste of Lactaid - too sweet - and I feel way better for it.

    We also think Ben is LI as well, since he's been regurgitating his whole life. He has yet to be tested, but he drinks Lactaid and seems better on that. We might end up just eliminating dairy altogether for him (and probably for me but I'll miss cheese). He can get calcium and vit D from other sources. I don't think drinking milk is weird from a face value kind of perspective, but if I start thinking about the whole cows drink cows' milk and humans drink humans' milk POV yeah it skeeves me a bit.

    In Canada dairy cows can't be fed artificial hormones to increase milk production, and if dairy cows need antibiotics for any reason the milk produced while on antibiotics (and for a period of time after, I think) must be discarded. So I'm not too concerned about there being junk in the milk or dairy products. I found a bunch of interesting info on the CFIA website some time ago while looking into beef recalls.

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    I thought the law was that the government paid the dairy farmers to make the milk more reasonable. I wouldn't mind paying double per gallon if that was the case. Then supply and demand could level out and maybe all those kids running around with obesity problems will get less whole milk, ice cream, cheese, and chocolate. We do drink a gallon of skim and a gallon of 2% between cereal and cooking a week between the three food eaters. And I do love yogurt, chocolate, cheese and ice cream. But it would make it easier to eat healthier if they were more expensive.

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    Canada has much better systems in place for milk...here in the U.S. you can't even trust the labeling that says no hormones or antibiotics. It's not well regulated. Same for organic food
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