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    Default Dan Savage: Anti-bullying or Christian bashing?

    Did Dan Savage go too far in bashing Christian beliefs at a high school journalism conference? Did his comments help or hurt his anti-bullying campaign?


    Dan Savage, the founder of an anti-bullying campaign that has reportedly reached more than 40 million viewers, and has contributors that include President Obama to Hollywood stars, dove into unexpected territory while giving a speech at a high school journalism conference Friday.

    There, instead the planned discussion on the dangers of bullying, Savage seemingly turned into a ?bully? himself, albeit a powerful, adult one.

    Reports say Savage?s speech quickly turned from the subject of anti-bullying into an event in ?Christian-bashing,? causing as many as 100 students to simply walk out of the event.

    Savage noted that Americans disregard much of the ?bulls*it? in the Bible, from laws about shellfish to those about slavery, and we just need to clear one more ?hurdle? in disregarding writings about homosexuality.

    ?The Bible says that if your daughter?s not a virgin on her wedding night? if a woman is not a virgin on her wedding night? she shall be dragged to her father?s doorstep and stoned to death,? he says, yet ?Callista Gingrich lives.?

    Then, seemingly unable to resist a jab at Republicans, he added, ?and there is no effort to amend state constitutions to make it legal to stone women to death on their wedding night if they?re not virgins. At least not yet? we don?t know where the GOP is going these days.?

    One student in the audience, Rick Tuttle, remarked, ?I thought this would be about anti-bullying?It turned into a pointed attack on Christian beliefs.?

    CitizenLink, which broke the story, interviewed a 17-year old girl who explained: ?The first thing he told [us] was, ?I hope you?re all using birth control!??

    He also reportedly told the students about how good his partner looks in a speedo, and called the students who walked out ?pansy a*ses.?

    The National Scholastic Press Association and Journalism Education Association, who co-sponsored the event, responded in a statement that they did not have a prior transcript of the speech, and wished he had stayed more ?on target.? However, they wrote optimistically: ?We have already heard from some advisers who have turned this into a teachable moment for their students.?

    One teacher was more condemnatory, saying the language and material was inappropriate for high school students, and if anything, Dan Savage was bully in this regard.

    ?If he was doing this with a bunch of college journalism kids, that would be a different story ? that?s more rough and tumble. How many of the kids who didn?t walk out felt backed into a corner? To me, that?s bullying behavior. It has all the symptoms, as far as I?m concerned.?

    Candi Cushman, a CitizenLink blogger, concluded:

    ?Using profanity to deride the bible ? and then mocking the Christian students after they left the room ? is obviously a form of bullying and name-calling,? she wrote. ?This illustrates perfectly what we?ve been saying all along: Too many times in the name of ?tolerance,? Christian students find their faith being openly mocked and belittled in educational environments.?
    There?s a clip of the speech here:
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    I heard about this on the radio today.

    He is going against his own purpose. Anti-bullying to me means accepting people for who they are, what they believe and co-existing amicably. Not to create a larger divide between 'them' and 'us' and pass judgement on those who might be in the other group.
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    Bulling is bulling. Weather it is a Christian bulling someone into not being gay or a gay person (just an example) bulling someone into not being a Christian. This was very much not appropriate for a high school setting.

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    Being a Christian is a choice. Being gay isn't. I don't think commenting on the ridiculous aspects of a religion is bullying. Mean, perhaps, but not bullying. It doesn't say much for their faith that they can't hear others speak out against the hypocracy of it. Aren't they called to be salt and light? Can't well do that when cowering in a hallway with your hands over your ears.

    That said, this seems like a very strange and wildly inappropriate venue for a bash of any religion. He was in the wrong.

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    I was going to say what Melissa said. I don't nec. have a problem with the message, just when it was delivered. It was supposed to be about anti-bullying, to high school students. The hypocrisy of many Christian Beliefs, while definitely related, isn't really directly on topic. And the topic of Christian hypocrisy isn't really suited to a high school student population anyway....or at least shouldn't be directly tied to a high school event probably.

    ETA: Also, ignoring the inappropriate venu for a minute, i don't think pointing out the faulty logic of christians against homosexuality is anything like bullying. So i don't think he, himself, was being a hypocrite.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Potter75 View Post
    Being a Christian is a choice. Being gay isn't. I don't think commenting on the ridiculous aspects of a religion is bullying. Mean, perhaps, but not bullying. It doesn't say much for their faith that they can't hear others speak out against the hypocracy of it. Aren't they called to be salt and light? Can't well do that when cowering in a hallway with your hands over your ears.

    That said, this seems like a very strange and wildly inappropriate venue for a bash of any religion. He was in the wrong.
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    Sorry you can't prove it. You cling so fervently to that though that it always makes me wonder if you are gay and just denying it. Unless you are choosing to live a straight lifestyle though you are gay, you really have no basis for drawing an opinion on something science can't prove.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Potter75 View Post
    Sorry you can't prove it.
    Neither can you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GloriaInTX View Post
    Neither can you.

    I draw a lot from my own personal experience. I was born very, very straight. I also have friends who tell me about knowing that they were gay at very very young ages, and doing EVERYTHING in their power to "fake" straight. I don't think that they are lying. Does your gay BFF who you think is going to hell say that they chose to be gay, against their heterosexual longings? I think that would be really hard, to make oneself have sex with a gender one wasn't attracted to, I couldn't do it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Potter75 View Post
    Being a Christian is a choice. Being gay isn't. I don't think commenting on the ridiculous aspects of a religion is bullying. Mean, perhaps, but not bullying.

    That said, this seems like a very strange and wildly inappropriate venue for a bash of any religion. He was in the wrong.
    Wearing glasses, dressing differently, weighing a certain weight in many situations is a choice and yet it is still bullied.

    I don't think whether or not something is a choice is a distinction on what can and cannot be bullied.
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