Death Penalty a Deterrent?
+ Reply to Thread
Page 1 of 8 12345 ... LastLast
Results 1 to 10 of 74

Thread: Death Penalty a Deterrent?

  1. #1
    Posting Addict GloriaInTX's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2008
    Location
    Dallas, TX
    Posts
    7,737

    Default Death Penalty a Deterrent?

    Many who are against the death penalty have made the argument that they don't believe that it is a deterrent to someone before they kill. Does this case affect your opinion on deterrance? This man researched the death penalty and only went through with his plan to kill after he found that the death penalty had been abolished in that state.

    A Canadian man did research on Illinois' death penalty before killing a woman he'd previously dated, prosecutors said Thursday.

    Dmitry Smirnov, 20, from Surrey, British Columbia, is charged with first-degree murder in the shooting death of 36-year-old Jitka Vesel, of Westmont.

    DuPage County State's Attorney Robert Berlin said the pair met on an Internet dating site two years ago and had a brief relationship before Vesel left Smirnov for another man.

    Prosecutors said Smirnov then moved back to Canada where he began harassing the woman online.

    advertisement "In 2009, the victim did file a police report against the defendent because he had threatened her," said Berlin.

    Two weeks ago, Smirnov drove to Seattle and purchased a gun before heading to the Chicago area, prosectors said. He then used the Internet to find Vesel's home and put a GPS tracking device on her car.

    "He was able to use the Internet and the GPS in order to track everywhere that the victim was going," said Berlin.

    On Wednesday, that tracking device led him to the Oak Brook parking lot, outside the Czech Society of America, where Vesel was attending a meeting.

    Authorities said Smirnov waited for Vesel and shot her when she walked out to her car, hitting her in the body and head.

    Police said they received a call at about 9:41 p.m. Wednesday for an unconscious female and found Vesel in the lot of an office building near 22nd Street and Windsor Drive. She was pronounced dead on the scene.

    Smirnov not only used the Internet to track down his victim, prosecutors said, but he also researched his potential punishment.

    "The defendent did indicate that he researched whether Illinois had a death penalty and the defendent was aware that the death penalty had recently been abolished, so he knew then that he could go through with this plan," said Berlin.

    A judge on Thursday ordered Smirnov held without bail. Because the murder appears to have been committed in a cold, calculated and premeditated way, the judge said life without parole is a possibility if Smirnov is convicted.

    Smirnov is due back in court on May 9.
    Source: http://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local...#ixzz1JtWtTlL3
    Mom to Lee, Jake, Brandon, Rocco
    Stepmom to Ryan, Regan, Braden, Baley
    Granddaughters Kylie 10/18/2010 & Aleya 4/22/2013


    I never consider a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosopy, as a cause for withdrawing from a friend. --Thomas Jefferson

  2. #2
    Mega Poster elleon17's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2009
    Location
    Orlando, FL
    Posts
    4,200

    Default

    Oh My thats a horrible story.

    As far as the death penalty is concerned, I don't beleive in it for the simple reason that I don't think that I have the right to choose whether someone lives or dies. (I used to feel differently about this issue) I don't not believe in it because of its lack of detterment. I think that most of these sick, whack jobs wouldn't be deterred by much. If life in prison away from the world isn't a deterrent, I'm not sure how much more death would be.

    Anyhow, I think the scariest thing about this article is how he was able to use the GPS and internet devices to stalk her and track her down. That really is disturbing. I have a very scary ex that thankfully hasn't contacted in years, but something like this has always been a fear in the back of my head.
    Lilypie Fifth Birthday tickers
    Lilypie First Birthday tickers

  3. #3
    Posting Addict carg0612's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2009
    Location
    Columbus, OH
    Posts
    5,274

    Default

    Such a sad and disturbing story. My heart goes out to the victim's family.

    I suspect that for most would-be murderers it's not a deterrent. Of course I haven't taken the time to research any studies to that end.

    I have a sneaky feeling that the sicko in the story would have killed anyway. Just an unfounded feeling.

    I will admit my ambivilance on this topic. There is a dark side of me that has no problem wanting these murderers to die. There is another part of me that cannot condone the process. I suppose I'm in my own internal debate on this one.

    A deterrent? For some I would guess yes and others certainly not.
    Christina + Rory = a grand total of:
    Amelia, Anthony, Andon, Noah, Mason, & Trinity-woof


  4. #4
    Posting Addict GloriaInTX's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2008
    Location
    Dallas, TX
    Posts
    7,737

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by carg0612 View Post
    I have a sneaky feeling that the sicko in the story would have killed anyway. Just an unfounded feeling.
    Seems like it would have to be a huge coincidence that he has been threatening the woman since 2008 and a month after the death penalty is banned he kills her.
    Mom to Lee, Jake, Brandon, Rocco
    Stepmom to Ryan, Regan, Braden, Baley
    Granddaughters Kylie 10/18/2010 & Aleya 4/22/2013


    I never consider a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosopy, as a cause for withdrawing from a friend. --Thomas Jefferson

  5. #5
    Posting Addict
    Join Date
    Jun 2007
    Posts
    5,825

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by GloriaInTX View Post
    Seems like it would have to be a huge coincidence that he has been threatening the woman since 2008 and a month after the death penalty is banned he kills her.
    I agree with the previous statements based on this:

    "The defendent did indicate that he researched whether Illinois had a death penalty and the defendent was aware that the death penalty had recently been abolished, so he knew then that he could go through with this plan," said Berlin.
    If the death penalty were in place, he would have created a new plan to see if he could get away with it. I'm also one who's against the death penalty for the same reason Elleon posted, so this does not change my conviction at all. I wonder why he drove all the way to Seattle to get a gun first. Are the laws easier to gain access to a gun in Washington?
    Tracey

    DD: 7/27/08
    DD Twins: 8/4/09 @ 35 Wks - No NICU, woot!
    7/9/07

  6. #6
    Posting Addict GloriaInTX's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2008
    Location
    Dallas, TX
    Posts
    7,737

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Beertje View Post
    If the death penalty were in place, he would have created a new plan to see if he could get away with it. I'm also one who's against the death penalty for the same reason Elleon posted, so this does not change my conviction at all. I wonder why he drove all the way to Seattle to get a gun first. Are the laws easier to gain access to a gun in Washington?
    Hint: British Columbia, Canada is above Washington state.
    Mom to Lee, Jake, Brandon, Rocco
    Stepmom to Ryan, Regan, Braden, Baley
    Granddaughters Kylie 10/18/2010 & Aleya 4/22/2013


    I never consider a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosopy, as a cause for withdrawing from a friend. --Thomas Jefferson

  7. #7
    Posting Addict ClairesMommy's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2006
    Location
    Canada
    Posts
    12,517

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Beertje View Post
    I agree with the previous statements based on this:



    If the death penalty were in place, he would have created a new plan to see if he could get away with it. I'm also one who's against the death penalty for the same reason Elleon posted, so this does not change my conviction at all. I wonder why he drove all the way to Seattle to get a gun first. Are the laws easier to gain access to a gun in Washington?
    Compared to buying a gun in Canada, yes. Waaayyyy easier. Plus, trying to drive a gun across the border is just plain stupid. Much 'safer' to buy south of the border.
    Lisa


  8. #8
    Posting Addict GloriaInTX's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2008
    Location
    Dallas, TX
    Posts
    7,737

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Beertje View Post
    If the death penalty were in place, he would have created a new plan to see if he could get away with it
    Don't think so. He didn't even try to get away with it. Turned himself in. The only thing stopping him from doing it earlier was the death penalty.

    Dmitry Smirnov, 20, of Surrey, turned himself in to police not long after he repeatedly shot Jitka Vesel, 36, of Westmont at the Windsor Office Park at 125 Windsor Drive in the western suburb Wednesday night, authorities said.

    During a court hearing, where he was denied bail, prosecutors said Smirnov had moved to the Chicago area in 2008 after meeting Vesel through an online dating service. But Vesel eventually returned to her former boyfriend and Smirnov returned to Canada.

    But he began harassing her via the Internet and by telephone, according to DuPage County State's Attorney Robert Berlin said. In 2009, she filed a complaint with the police in Berwyn, where she lived at the time, saying Smirnov had threatened to harm her.

    Two weeks ago, he drove to the area from Canada, buying a 40-caliber handgun and ammunition in Seattle on his way to the Chicago area, Berlin said. He arrived in the area April 8 or 9, and tracked down Vesel’s address through the Internet, Berlin said. Smirnov lived in his car for four days after returning to the area, Berlin said.

    Smirnov attached a GPS device to her car and tracked her for several days, Berlin said.

    On Wednesday night, he approached her in the parking lot and began shooting. As he was reloading, she threw coffee on him and fell to the ground. He fired more shots, Berlin said. Berlin said Vesel was shot numerous times in the head and body and died at the scene.
    Smirnov fled, but later called Chicago police in the Grand Crossing District and admitted to the slaying, Berlin said. Chicago police contacted Oak Brook police, who reached Smirnov by phone. Smirnov turned himself in to a Romeoville police officer, Berlin said.

    Police found a gun in his car and 11 casings at the scene, Berlin said. Smirnov later provided a videotaped confession.

    Berlin said Smirnov went through with his plan after researching to see if Illinois had the death penalty. Just weeks ago, Gov. Pat Quinn signed legislation banning the death penalty in the state.
    http://www.chicagobreakingnews.com/n...,2410337.story
    Mom to Lee, Jake, Brandon, Rocco
    Stepmom to Ryan, Regan, Braden, Baley
    Granddaughters Kylie 10/18/2010 & Aleya 4/22/2013


    I never consider a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosopy, as a cause for withdrawing from a friend. --Thomas Jefferson

  9. #9
    Posting Addict
    Join Date
    Jun 2007
    Posts
    5,825

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by GloriaInTX View Post
    Hint: British Columbia, Canada is above Washington state.
    Thanks for the hint, but I am fairly geographically adept. Just because it's above them, does not mean that's the typical direction to travel when going east. I know members of my family typically drive across Canada as much as possible before entering the US at the ND border. He easily could've taken another route that may have been less boring or quicker and purchased a gun in any other state he traveled up until he reached Illinois, depending on the state laws as to how easy each state has to purchase a gun. So that hint is not helpful. My guess is he researched each state for purchasing a gun as well.
    Tracey

    DD: 7/27/08
    DD Twins: 8/4/09 @ 35 Wks - No NICU, woot!
    7/9/07

  10. #10
    Posting Addict GloriaInTX's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2008
    Location
    Dallas, TX
    Posts
    7,737

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Beertje View Post
    Thanks for the hint, but I am fairly geographically adept. Just because it's above them, does not mean that's the typical direction to travel when going east. I know members of my family typically drive across Canada as much as possible before entering the US at the ND border. He easily could've taken another route that may have been less boring or quicker and purchased a gun in any other state he traveled up until he reached Illinois, depending on the state laws as to how easy each state has to purchase a gun. So that hint is not helpful. My guess is he researched each state for purchasing a gun as well.
    Sorry I just figured you might have missed that since you asked why he drove ALL the way to Seattle when it is only like 100 miles from where he started.
    Mom to Lee, Jake, Brandon, Rocco
    Stepmom to Ryan, Regan, Braden, Baley
    Granddaughters Kylie 10/18/2010 & Aleya 4/22/2013


    I never consider a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosopy, as a cause for withdrawing from a friend. --Thomas Jefferson

+ Reply to Thread
Page 1 of 8 12345 ... LastLast

Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
v -->

About Us | Contact Us | Privacy Policy | Sitemap | Terms & Conditions