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    I thought it was interesting that NOW Obama is trying to say that he called Libya a terrorist attack from the beginning, when he obviously didn't. Even the moderator has backtracked on that one.

    CNN's Candy Crowley: Romney Was Actually Right On Libya - YouTube

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    Quote Originally Posted by GloriaInTX View Post
    I want to do some more reading on the pay discrepancy with Obama because I'm unfamiliar with that term.

    But...the only reason Romney had a high number of women was that it was presented to him by Massgap. They found him women that were qualified and pushed it. He didn't seek it out to be fair and equitable.

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    I do agree that Romney's "women have to leave early" thing annoyed me. It's a FAMILY issue. My brothers talk about this all the time how they get no allowances for family or wanting to be part of their kids' lives in the evenings. And not all women have families.

    But over all, I just came out of the debates feeling icky about both of them. The whole debate seemed to be this game of back-and-forth. "I'm going to create jobs and he isn't.' "No I"M going to create jobs and HE isn't." "I care about children and he doesn't." "No, I care about families and HE doesn't." It was unpleasant. to listen to/watch. (I listened to some of it while I was baking, then watched the rest on tv.)
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    I will agree that I left the debate last night with a bad taste in my mouth from both candidates. I did find this poll interesting though.

    Election 2012 Likely Voters Trial Heat: Obama vs. Romney

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    Quote Originally Posted by GloriaInTX View Post
    I thought it was interesting that NOW Obama is trying to say that he called Libya a terrorist attack from the beginning, when he obviously didn't. Even the moderator has backtracked on that one.

    CNN's Candy Crowley: Romney Was Actually Right On Libya - YouTube

    The Big Lie: Obama Did Not Call Benghazi Attack Terrorism on Sep. 12
    I can't watch YouTube right now, but from your article "The Big Lie"

    Obama mentioned the word "terror" once in his Sep. 12 statement: "No acts of terror will ever shake the resolve of this great nation, alter that character or eclipse the light of the values that we stand for." But the context of that statement suggests strongly that President Obama was referring to terror in general, not specifically to the attack on the U.S. consulate in Benghazi or the violent demonstrations at the U.S. embassy in Cairo.

    Furthermore, Obama's reference to "terror" came near the end of his statement. His initial description of the attacks, at the start of his statement, portrayed them as an excessive response to the anti-Islam video upon which the Obama relied for days and weeks thereafter: "Since our founding, the United States has been a nation that respects all faiths. We reject all efforts to denigrate the religious beliefs of others. But there is absolutely no justification for this type of senseless violence."
    So he did use the word terror, but according to conservatives it wasn't specific enough (even though he was speaking specifically in response to what happened in Libya) and it was late in the statement...so it doesn't count? That's kind of weak.

    Also, Candy Crowley didn't back track. She said the same thing today that she said in the debate last night.

    Candy Crowley: I Didn't 'Backtrack' On Romney Libya Fact Check (VIDEO)

    If you remember the debate, Romney and Obama were going "Yes I did." "No you didn't." over whether or not Obama used the phrase "acts of terror" and it was super annoying. "You did not say acts of terror" "Yes I did!" Candy said basically "Yes he did" (meaning "yes he did say acts of terror") but Gov Romney you're right that they took way too long focusing on the tape."

    What about that is incorrect, or has she taken back?

    However, I do agree, and I even said this to DH last night, that she should have stayed out of it and remained neutral. I don't think it is the mod's job to be fact checker. I think they need to stay impartial. It would have been easy enough for the actual fact checkers to look at the tape where Romney is saying "You did not say acts of terror" and then look at the tape of Obama's speech and say "Yes he did say acts of terror....but in fairness he was still caught up in the tape story, so he was wrong about that."
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    Fact-checking the second presidential debate - CBS News

    "In Sept. 12 remarks in the White House Rose Garden reacting to the Libya attack, Mr. Obama did refer generally to "acts of terror," though he didn't specifically call the attack on the U.S. consulate in Benghazi an act of terrorism.



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    "No acts of terror will ever shake the resolve of this great nation, alter that character, or eclipse the light of the values that we stand for," Mr. Obama said. "Today we mourn four more Americans who represent the very best of the United States of America. We will not waver in our commitment to see that justice is done for this terrible act. And make no mistake, justice will be done."

    It's true that the administration, including U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations Susan Rice, maintained for several days that the attack was spontaneous and the result of protests over an inflammatory anti-Muslim video. Meanwhile, CBS News reported on Sept. 12 that the assault appeared to be a planned terrorist attack.

    In his speech to the U.N. General Assembly on Sept. 25, Mr. Obama did not give any indication that the attack was an act of terrorism, instead repeatedly referencing the anti-Muslim YouTube video that allegedly spurred spontaneous protests."




    Obama never said that the attack was an act of terrorism. Just that "No acts of terror will ever shake the resolve of this great nation, alter that character, or eclipse the light of the values that we stand for,"

    Even if you go back and look at the debate we had right after the attack, it was all about the youtube video. Placing blame on people exercising free speech, and not on the people who actually did the attacking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alissa_Sal View Post
    So he did use the word terror, but according to conservatives it wasn't specific enough (even though he was speaking specifically in response to what happened in Libya) and it was late in the statement...so it doesn't count? That's kind of weak.
    No I don't think its weak. Here is the transcript and he had multiple times he could have called it a terror attack and he specifically avoided that word.

    THE PRESIDENT: Good morning. Every day, all across the world, American diplomats and civilians work tirelessly to advance the interests and values of our nation. Often, they are away from their families. Sometimes, they brave great danger.

    Yesterday, four of these extraordinary Americans were killed in an attack (Note didn't say terrorist) on our diplomatic post in Benghazi. Among those killed was our Ambassador, Chris Stevens, as well as Foreign Service Officer Sean Smith. We are still notifying the families of the others who were killed. And today, the American people stand united in holding the families of the four Americans in our thoughts and in our prayers.

    The United States condemns in the strongest terms this outrageous and shocking attack (Again avoided terrorist attack). We're working with the government of Libya to secure our diplomats. I've also directed my administration to increase our security at diplomatic posts around the world. And make no mistake, we will work with the Libyan government to bring to justice the killers who attacked our people.(Note didn't say terrorists)

    Since our founding, the United States has been a nation that respects all faiths. We reject all efforts to denigrate the religious beliefs of others. But there is absolutely no justification to this type of senseless violence. None. The world must stand together to unequivocally reject these brutal acts.(Note didn't say terrorist acts)

    Already, many Libyans have joined us in doing so, and this attack (not terrorist attack) will not break the bonds between the United States and Libya. Libyan security personnel fought back against the attackers (not terrorists) alongside Americans. Libyans helped some of our diplomats find safety, and they carried Ambassador Stevens?s body to the hospital, where we tragically learned that he had died.

    It's especially tragic that Chris Stevens died in Benghazi because it is a city that he helped to save. At the height of the Libyan revolution, Chris led our diplomatic post in Benghazi. With characteristic skill, courage, and resolve, he built partnerships with Libyan revolutionaries, and helped them as they planned to build a new Libya. When the Qaddafi regime came to an end, Chris was there to serve as our ambassador to the new Libya, and he worked tirelessly to support this young democracy, and I think both Secretary Clinton and I relied deeply on his knowledge of the situation on the ground there. He was a role model to all who worked with him and to the young diplomats who aspire to walk in his footsteps.

    Along with his colleagues, Chris died in a country that is still striving to emerge from the recent experience of war. Today, the loss of these four Americans is fresh, but our memories of them linger on. I have no doubt that their legacy will live on through the work that they did far from our shores and in the hearts of those who love them back home.

    Of course, yesterday was already a painful day for our nation as we marked the solemn memory of the 9/11 attacks. We mourned with the families who were lost on that day. I visited the graves of troops who made the ultimate sacrifice in Iraq and Afghanistan at the hallowed grounds of Arlington Cemetery, and had the opportunity to say thank you and visit some of our wounded warriors at Walter Reed. And then last night, we learned the news of this attack in Benghazi. (Not terrorist attack)

    As Americans, let us never, ever forget that our freedom is only sustained because there are people who are willing to fight for it, to stand up for it, and in some cases, lay down their lives for it. Our country is only as strong as the character of our people and the service of those both civilian and military who represent us around the globe.

    No acts of terror will ever shake the resolve of this great nation,(Finally says it as a general statement, not describing Benghazi)alter that character, or eclipse the light of the values that we stand for. Today we mourn four more Americans who represent the very best of the United States of America. We will not waver in our commitment to see that justice is done for this terrible act. And make no mistake, justice will be done.

    But we also know that the lives these Americans led stand in stark contrast to those of their attackers. These four Americans stood up for freedom and human dignity. They should give every American great pride in the country that they served, and the hope that our flag represents to people around the globe who also yearn to live in freedom and with dignity.

    We grieve with their families, but let us carry on their memory, and let us continue their work of seeking a stronger America and a better world for all of our children.

    Thank you. May God bless the memory of those we lost and may God bless the United States of America.
    Are you saying for this WHOLE thread you believed it was a terrorist attack and not because of some movie protest that never even happened? You really expect me to believe that if Obama came right out and said it was a terrorist attack you would have started this thread? This thread was started the SAME DAY he gave that statement.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AlyssaEimers View Post
    Obama never said that the attack was an act of terrorism. Just that "No acts of terror will ever shake the resolve of this great nation, alter that character, or eclipse the light of the values that we stand for,"

    Even if you go back and look at the debate we had right after the attack, it was all about the youtube video. Placing blame on people exercising free speech, and not on the people who actually did the attacking.
    Again, I think it's weak to pretend like he wasn't talking about Libya in a speech where he was talking about Libya. Like he just threw that line about "acts of terror" in there randomly....

    I do agree that they got it wrong about the Youtube video, which is what Candy Crowley said too. It can be both, you know.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GloriaInTX View Post
    No I don't think its weak. Here is the transcript and he had multiple times he could have called it a terror attack and he specifically avoided that word.



    Are you saying for this WHOLE thread you believed it was a terrorist attack and not because of some movie protest that never even happened? You really expect me to believe that if Obama came right out and said it was a terrorist attack you would have started this thread? This thread was started the SAME DAY he gave that statement.
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    No, I believed what was all over the news at the time, which is that it was over a YouTube video.

    He still said "acts of terror" in reference to the Libyan attack, and I don't think it was thrown in there randomly (like for the rest of that speech he was talking about Libya, but then for that one sentence he wasn't and it had nothing to do with Libya...what? That makes no sense!) which is what Candy said, and she was right.

    I agree that he was wrong about the YouTube video (and by extension, so was everyone else who thought it was over a YouTube video, including myself.) But it's possible to be wrong about what caused it, and still call it terrorism. It's not an either or thing, like EITHER it was over a video OR it was terrorism. It can be both. In his speech, he called it both.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alissa_Sal View Post
    No, I believed what was all over the news at the time, which is that it was over a YouTube video.
    But the White House knew better, even when they sent Rice out making statements about the video they KNEW that there was no protest in Libya and the video had nothing to do with it. So didn't they purposely mislead the public for weeks to keep it from bringing attention to Obama's foreign policies?
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