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    Quote Originally Posted by GloriaInTX View Post
    But the White House knew better, even when they sent Rice out making statements about the video they KNEW that there was no protest in Libya and the video had nothing to do with it. So didn't they purposely mislead the public for weeks to keep it from bringing attention to Obama's foreign policies?
    I don't know what they (the guys in the WH) knew that day.

    What I do know is that he did say "acts of terror" so Mitt Romney was incorrect to say that he did not. It's right there in black and white.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alissa_Sal View Post
    I don't know what they (the guys in the WH) knew that day.

    What I do know is that he did say "acts of terror" so Mitt Romney was incorrect to say that he did not. It's right there in black and white.
    Well I guess he is in good company, because Obama's own spokesman said the same thing.

    President Obama claimed during last night?s debate that he cried terrorism immediately after the Libya attack, but in doing so, he contradicted his own spokesman.

    Nine days after the assault, a reporter asked White House Press Secretary Jay Carney if they had called the Libya assault a terrorist attack.

    ?I haven?t,? Carney replied on September 20th. And he was speaking for the White House, not just himself, as was made clear when he cautioned reporters against thinking it was significant that ?we hadn?t? called it a terrorist attack yet.


    Mitt Romney had a back-and-forth last night about whether Obama treated the assault on the U.S. consulate in Benghazi, Libya, as a terrorist attack or a spontaneous protest gone bad. Obama wriggled off the hook when CNN?s Candy Crowley confirmed that Obama had used the words ?act of terror? during his September 12 Rose Garden speech.

    Obama opened that Rose Garden speech by blaming the attack on an anti-Islam Youtube video, even though he referred generically to ?acts of terror? towards the end of the speech after mentioning the September 11, 2001 attack on the World Trade Center.

    The president now claims that phrase referred to the September 11, 2012 attack as well, but it took another week for the U.S. government to refer specifically to the murder of four Americans as a terrorist attack.

    ?I would say yes, they were killed in the course of a terrorist attack on our embassy,? NCTC director Matt Olsen told Congress on September 19th.

    The next day, Carney confirmed to reporters that this was the first time they had called the attack ?a terrorist attack.?
    Nine days after Benghazi attack, WH denied calling it a terrorist attack | WashingtonExaminer.com
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    I am asking because I truly don't know. Is an Act of Terror the same thing as a Terrorist Attack? I guess in my simple little mind, I am thinking of any bombing or attack being called an Act of Terror whether it is done by a lone nut job or an organised group. Where as a Terrorist Attack being an organised attack by an organization such as Al Qaeda. I have no idea if this is right, but that is what I had been thinking.

    That is where in my mind I am thinking was the difference. Obama saying that this act of terror will not be tolerated is not the same as calling it an Act of Terrorism.

    ETA - All I can think of when I think of Act of Terror is a little Terror of a 2 or 3 year old going through your house destroying it. I have a MUCH different mental image of the phrase Terrorist Attack.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GloriaInTX View Post
    Well I guess he is in good company, because Obama's own spokesman said the same thing.
    *Snort*

    Okay. (I seriously don't see how anyone can try to deny that Obama said "act of terror" when there is video of him saying "act of terror." But okay. )
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    I guess a better question is What is the significance of it being labeled "An Act of Terror"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alissa_Sal View Post
    *Snort*

    Okay. (I seriously don't see how anyone can try to deny that Obama said "act of terror" when there is video of him saying "act of terror." But okay. )
    No one is disputing he said act of terror, just what he was referring to. His own white house spokesman said that it wasn't referred to as a terrorist attack until Sept. 19th. So I guess EVERYONE is wrong except for Obama. Convenient. And even if he DID say it, he followed it up by trying his best to purposely mislead people into thinking it was in response to a video.

    Even as late as Sept 24 on the View Obama still avoided using the words terror attack to describe what happened. And now all of a sudden he wants to claim that is what he did from the start? Sounds like he wants to have his cake and eat it too.

    During an appearance on the daytime TV show “The View,” Obama was asked if the attack was an act of terrorism. Administration officials began labeling it that way last week, but Obama didn’t use precisely that language.

    “There’s no doubt that the kind of weapons that were used, the ongoing assault, that it wasn’t just a mob action. What’s clear is that, around the world, there are still a lot of threats out there,” Obama said, according to a pool report.
    Obama Refuses To Describe Embassy Attack As Terrorism… | Weasel Zippers
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    Quote Originally Posted by GloriaInTX View Post
    No one is disputing he said act of terror, just what he was referring to. His own white house spokesman said that it wasn't referred to as a terrorist attack until Sept. 19th. So I guess EVERYONE is wrong except for Obama. Convenient. And even if he DID say it, he followed it up by trying his best to purposely mislead people into thinking it was in response to a video.

    Even as late as Sept 24 on the View Obama still avoided using the words terror attack to describe what happened. And now all of a sudden he wants to claim that is what he did from the start? Sounds like he wants to have his cake and eat it too.



    Obama Refuses To Describe Embassy Attack As Terrorism… | Weasel Zippers
    Mitt Romney disputed he said "act of terror!" That was what the whole back and forth that Candy Crowley ended up stepping into was all about. They were arguing about whether he used that specific phrase in his speech on September 12th, and Candy said he did, and he did. You can go into the whole back history, but the point is that in the debate, MR said specifically that he did not use that phrase, and that is what started the whole silly annoying argument in the first place.

    You know what though, to be honest, I think all of the teeth gnashing about whether or not he specifically used the word "terrorism" and when is just....silly. You can easily point out that he was wrong about the YouTube thing - that's a valid point. But to be all up in arms about how many times he said the word terrorism, or didn't, or when, seems like the whole "oh no, he didn't wear a flag pin in his lapel" thing again. It's like finding a very superficial thing to get outraged about. "He said "attack" instead of "terrorist attack!" Like, really?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alissa_Sal View Post
    You know what though, to be honest, I think all of the teeth gnashing about whether or not he specifically used the word "terrorism" and when is just....silly. You can easily point out that he was wrong about the YouTube thing - that's a valid point. But to be all up in arms about how many times he said the word terrorism, or didn't, or when, seems like the whole "oh no, he didn't wear a flag pin in his lapel" thing again. It's like finding a very superficial thing to get outraged about. "He said "attack" instead of "terrorist attack!" Like, really?
    It's not like this is out of the blue. Obama has consistently tried to avoid calling terrorist attacks what they are. Just like the Fort Hood shooting.

    Sen. Susan Collins on Wednesday blasted the Defense Department for classifying the Fort Hood massacre as workplace violence and suggested political correctness is being placed above the security of the nation's Armed Forces at home.

    During a joint session of the Senate and House Homeland Security Committee on Wednesday, the Maine Republican referenced a letter from the Defense Department depicting the Fort Hood shootings as workplace violence. She criticized the Obama administration for failing to identify the threat as radical Islam.
    Read more: Lawmakers Blast Administration For Calling Fort Hood Massacre 'Workplace Violence' | Fox News


    Questions raised over feds' consistency on 'terrorism' definition in wake of shootings | Fox News

    The Obama administration has just announced its intent to ban all words that allude to Islam from important national security documents. Put differently, the Obama administration has just announced its intent to ban all knowledge and context necessary to confront and defeat radical Islam (news much welcomed by Islamist organizations like CAIR). While this move may reflect a naively therapeutic administration — an Obama advisor once suggested that Winnie the Pooh should inform U.S foreign policy — that Obama, the one U.S. president who best knows that politically correct niceties will have no effect on the Muslim world is enforcing this ban, is further troubling.
    http://www.meforum.org/2632/obama-tr...-radical-islam
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    Quote Originally Posted by GloriaInTX View Post
    It's not like this is out of the blue. Obama has consistently tried to avoid calling terrorist attacks what they are. Just like the Fort Hood shooting.
    I don't really understand the point though. Like is it because Islam = "terrorism" in Conservatives' minds and they want the White House to say so? I honestly don't even know if I would consider the attack on the embassy or the attack on Ft Hood to be "terrorism." I tend to think of terrorism as being attacks on civilians in civilian situations. I kind of think of the attack on the embassy and on Ft Hood as more like guerilla warfare. But it doesn't really matter to me whether you call it guerilla warfare or terrorism, either way it's wrong and of course I condemn the people who did it. So I honestly don't understand why Conservatives are all hung up on the word. It's not like the Obama administration is saying "It's not terrorism, and therefore it is a-okay."
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    I am still working out in my mind, but the best conclusion in my mind I can come up with is this. Obama made a huge deal about how transparent he was going to be. If he knew it was something, but tried to mislead the public into thinking it was something else, it more speaks to his lack of transparency and honesty. What I am unclear on is if he knew or not. I also am unclear on if he knew that they requested more security and denied it, or if he didn't know. Again, I was impressed with his saying the Buck stopped with him. I thought that was a very responsible thing to say. Previously to the debate, I was thinking he was trying to blame any and everyone other than the people who actually did the attacking.

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