Did Trayvon Martin get a fair trial?
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    Juror B37's -- the one who, less than two days after the verdict was rendered, signed a book deal but has sinced reneged on it -- entire voir dire, the process in which both sides have the chance to intervew prospective jurors and eliminate those they don't want, was captured on film and was posted on Gawker yesterday. There's a link to the video in the article posted below. I can't seem to copy the entire article, but here are a few highlights. After reading this information about Juror B37, do you think this was a fair trial? Could justice really be served with someone like this on the jury?

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    "[T]he tape raises another question that should be debated in every trial advocacy class in America: What were the lawyers, especially the prosecutors, thinking when they seated her? Why didn?t prosecutors use one of their peremptory challenges to nix her? She?s contrarian, she raised serious ontological doubts about the nature of truth-seeking, and she was only ever truly animated on the subject of rescue birds. Both lawyers were visibly cowed by her."

    "Robert Weisberg teaches criminal law at Stanford Law School, and he immediately wonders what it meant when juror B37 asserted that ?You never get all the information. How do you form an opinion if you don?t have all the information?" Weisberg sums up his lawyerly concerns in one sentence: ?She thinks the world is one big reasonable doubt.?"


    "Brashers-Krug has another reservation about seating B37: ?She really wants to be a juror. She seems to be going out of her way to minimize the disruptive effect of a multiweek trial on her life. Jurors rarely do that. She is also taking pains to avoid saying anything particularly sympathetic to either side. Both sides tend to be very skeptical of jurors who are particularly eager to serve on high-profile cases. Often they have their own agendas, or are attention-seekers.?"


    "Watching B37 run rings around her interlocutors raises once again the fundamental question of what we achieve whenever we attempt to seat a juror who knows nothing whatsoever about a high-profile case. We are left with people who avoid any brushes with policy, law, or politics and?paradoxically?come to convince themselves (as does B37) that everything they will hear in the courtroom is truth. This is hardly a new problem. Mark Twain grumbled about it in Roughing It in 1864."


    "It?s not that juror B37 is a miscreant or a fool so much as a reflexive doubter that truth and facts are really knowable anymore. She speaks for the millions of Americans who believe that everyone is lying about something and the media lies about everything. The Internet, she explains, is for getting to the next level on Candy Crush Saga, not for getting information. And since everything is a lie, she doesn?t care enough to learn that the riots she believes to have happened did not. One wonders whether she would buy her own book about the truth behind the Zimmerman verdict."




    Zimmerman trial juror B37: Why did prosecutors let her on the Trayvon Martin jury? - Slate Magazine
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    Absolutely. The prosecutors had no evidence to present that is why they looked so bad. This should never have been brought to trial in the first place.
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    During the whole thing GZ showed not an ounce of remorse, no sadness, no tears. Nothing. You'd think that someone truly innocent would be shouting it from the rooftops or something, or at least look like they give a damn. After all the eff ups and the questionable juror selection and the media circus you'd think one thing would stand out from the rest of the mess, and that would be GZ's actions during the trial if he was innocent. He just sat there with the look on his face like he was sitting through a long sermon or something. No reaction from him whatsoever, just boredom and dead eyes. That, to me, says it all. I hope they nail him with civil charges.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ClairesMommy View Post
    During the whole thing GZ showed not an ounce of remorse, no sadness, no tears. Nothing. You'd think that someone truly innocent would be shouting it from the rooftops or something, or at least look like they give a damn. After all the eff ups and the questionable juror selection and the media circus you'd think one thing would stand out from the rest of the mess, and that would be GZ's actions during the trial if he was innocent. He just sat there with the look on his face like he was sitting through a long sermon or something. No reaction from him whatsoever, just boredom and dead eyes. That, to me, says it all. I hope they nail him with civil charges.
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    Trayvon Martin was not on trial.
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    Yes, Trayon got a fair trial. Every legal analyst I have heard talk about it says that the judge leaned in the states favor.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AlyssaEimers View Post
    Trayvon Martin was not on trial.
    He most certainly was. Having seen that video, I'm appalled that this person got onto the jury that was trying the man who killed him. I think it really brings into question whether *Martin* got a fair trial since this was the opportunity for justice in his name.
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    I don't think they had "no evidence." They had the fact that none of Zimmerman's DNA was found on Trayvon Martin's body, which is super weird if he were on top of him beating him up. They had the fact that none of Martin's DNA or fingerprints were found on the gun, which is also weird if Martin was supposedly grabbing it. They had witness testimony from someone who was on the phone with Martin at the time testifying to him saying "get off me" (you may not believe her, but that was her testimony.) We have the position of Martin's body on the grass, a good way away from the pavement where he was supposedly in the middle of bashing in Zimmerman's head when Zimmerman shot him. They had a lot of stuff that puts reasonable doubt on Zimmerman's story that Martin was the one that attacked him, but Martin wasn't the one on trial. Not to mention the greater philosophical questions like "Is the 'he-sneaked-up-behind-me-while-I-was-chasing-after-him' defense really valid?"I just think that the prosecution did a terrible job, and at least one of the jurors sounds awful.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AlyssaEimers View Post
    Trayvon Martin was not on trial.
    True- but only because went from doing nothing at all wrong to having GZ be his judge, jury and executioner.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alissa_Sal View Post
    I don't think they had "no evidence." They had the fact that none of Zimmerman's DNA was found on Trayvon Martin's body, which is super weird if he were on top of him beating him up. They had the fact that none of Martin's DNA or fingerprints were found on the gun, which is also weird if Martin was supposedly grabbing it. They had witness testimony from someone who was on the phone with Martin at the time testifying to him saying "get off me" (you may not believe her, but that was her testimony.) We have the position of Martin's body on the grass, a good way away from the pavement where he was supposedly in the middle of bashing in Zimmerman's head when Zimmerman shot him. They had a lot of stuff that puts reasonable doubt on Zimmerman's story that Martin was the one that attacked him, but Martin wasn't the one on trial. Not to mention the greater philosophical questions like "Is the 'he-sneaked-up-behind-me-while-I-was-chasing-after-him' defense really valid?"I just think that the prosecution did a terrible job, and at least one of the jurors sounds awful.
    It's not really super weird when it was raining and they couldn't even see blood on the ground because it was all washed away. TM bled for sure since he was shot yet there was no blood. So how is it surprising that they didn't find DNA on his hands after the body was sitting out in the rain, when they didn't even bag his hands?
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