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    Even if this one juror had a bias (so did the judge), didn't all six jurors have to agree to Not Guilty for there to be a not guilty verdict? If this one juror was biased and voted not guilty but the other 5 all thought guilty it would have been a hung jury, not not guilty. All 6 jurors must have voted not guilty if I understand things correctly. That in my opinion makes the point that if one juror was slightly biased it would not have changed the outcome of the case. I agree with Lisa that the defence has a much stronger case of bias than the prosecution.

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    I think it's actually the opposite - I think all 6 jurors have to agree to a guilty charge.

    ETA: Nevermind, I just reread your post. I misunderstood what you meant the first time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ClairesMommy View Post
    During the whole thing GZ showed not an ounce of remorse, no sadness, no tears. Nothing. You'd think that someone truly innocent would be shouting it from the rooftops or something, or at least look like they give a damn. After all the eff ups and the questionable juror selection and the media circus you'd think one thing would stand out from the rest of the mess, and that would be GZ's actions during the trial if he was innocent. He just sat there with the look on his face like he was sitting through a long sermon or something. No reaction from him whatsoever, just boredom and dead eyes. That, to me, says it all. I hope they nail him with civil charges.
    You would NOT be shouting from the rooftops if the black panthers had a price on your head. Watched an interview with a close friend of his.that omg was black.. saying Z had been crying non stop for days.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alissa_Sal View Post
    I don't think they had "no evidence." They had the fact that none of Zimmerman's DNA was found on Trayvon Martin's body, which is super weird if he were on top of him beating him up. They had the fact that none of Martin's DNA or fingerprints were found on the gun, which is also weird if Martin was supposedly grabbing it. They had witness testimony from someone who was on the phone with Martin at the time testifying to him saying "get off me" (you may not believe her, but that was her testimony.) We have the position of Martin's body on the grass, a good way away from the pavement where he was supposedly in the middle of bashing in Zimmerman's head when Zimmerman shot him. They had a lot of stuff that puts reasonable doubt on Zimmerman's story that Martin was the one that attacked him, but Martin wasn't the one on trial. Not to mention the greater philosophical questions like "Is the 'he-sneaked-up-behind-me-while-I-was-chasing-after-him' defense really valid?"I just think that the prosecution did a terrible job, and at least one of the jurors sounds awful.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alissa_Sal View Post
    We've got one "eye witness" that says one thing and another voice witness that says another, and a bunch of people disagreeing about whose voice was screaming for help. I don't think that by itself is a slam dunk, especially combined with the other evidence or lack there of.

    Also, eye witness testimony is terrible. Not on purpose, it just is. Read up on it some time. I had a psych class in college where 3 men burst into the room totally unexpected, yelled parts of the communist manifesto, and shot the proffessor with water guns in front of a lecture hall of like 100 students in a brightly lit room. Later we got to look at pictures of "suspects", discuss, present our arguments, and then vote on who we thought did it. We ended up "convicting" the professor's brother who lives in AK and the TA who was sitting in the front row the whole time while we were arguing that he "looked familiar." The point of the whole exercise was to show us first hand how bad eye witness testimony is. It really is. I voted for the poor TA.
    There are computer programs that do voice software.. which could have determined whose voice it was.. if that had been an issue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ethanwinfield View Post
    I couldn't find the quote my daughter read me the other night, but it went something like this:

    Only in America is a young, black man on trial for his own murder.
    That because "america" uses the Media to try people. Glad that the jurors saw through or past the mass media hysteria.. where is their outrage re black on black crime! no we only hear them pull race cards when the person is lighter skinned.. and they even leave out the fact he was a minority himself.
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    Off Topic - I just remembered you saying you did not know how to multi quote. In the bottom right hand corner of each post will be "+. Just click on that each time you want a post added into your multi quote.

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    ooh now if I can remember that.. whoho ty! just got a new laptop too and it keeps going to funky screens.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rivergallery View Post
    That because "america" uses the Media to try people. Glad that the jurors saw through or past the mass media hysteria.. where is their outrage re black on black crime! no we only hear them pull race cards when the person is lighter skinned.. and they even leave out the fact he was a minority himself.
    I think you missed the meaning of the quote.

    I don't know the demographics of the city you live in. But where I live it's approximately 20% black and close to 30% Hispanic or Latino. My school is approximately 68% Hispanic, 18% black, and 9% white. In my little corner of the world, there is a lot of tension between blacks and Hispanics. You don't think minorities can be prejudice against other minorities?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ethanwinfield View Post
    I think you missed the meaning of the quote.

    I don't know the demographics of the city you live in. But where I live it's approximately 20% black and close to 30% Hispanic or Latino. My school is approximately 68% Hispanic, 18% black, and 9% white. In my little corner of the world, there is a lot of tension between blacks and Hispanics. You don't think minorities can be prejudice against other minorities?
    This is a little off topic but I find the racial tensions to be interesting. Do you know what it is about? Here we have a large % of Hispanics but almost no blacks so I have not seen this first hand. We have a family at church that with a black father, he is from Alabama and talks about how less diverse we are here, but also he has felt much more welcomed into the community.
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