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    Quote Originally Posted by SID081108 View Post
    This is exactly the phrase I have an issue with. I watched part of the interview last night on CNN with the juror that has spoken out. She said that the hardest part was trying to understand the law. At one point someone on the jury asked if they should ONLY be considering if GZ feared for his life at that exact moment that he killed Trayvon, or if they should consider the circumstances that led up to it. They determined that under the Stand Your Ground law, they should only consider how he felt in that exact moment, without regard to the moments leading up to it, to determine if he acted in self-defense. I'm sorry, that is just stupid!! So I can instigate anything I want, but if at any moment I decide I got in over my head and I might end up on the wrong side of this fight, I'm free to shoot to kill?? Absolutely ridiculous. Not to mention that's not at all how it was viewed when the judge determined that Marissa Alexander couldn't use it as a defense for firing a shot in her home with an abusive husband telling her he was going to kill her. Florida is just stupid. And that is all.
    The stand your ground law didn't even apply in this case and was not used as a defense. It was just regular old self defense. The problem is that you don't have the right to punch someone just because they are following you.


    The Marissa Alexander case is a little different because her husband and his two sons testified against her, so I guess it was her word against theirs. I can't say if it was right or wrong but I guess that is what the jury believed. I do think the penalty was a little stiff, I don't like mandatory sentencing laws.

    Alexander tried to capitalize on the same leniency in Florida’s self-defense statutes by invoking "stand your ground." Prosecutors, however, argued that the evidence in her case was incriminating.

    They said Alexander could have left her home during the argument. Instead, she got her gun from the garage and fired a shot in the direction of Rico Gray, her husband, and his two boys, 9 and 13. The 911 call Gray placed after the shooting indicated he was fleeing and scared for his life. Alexander also reportedly sought out Gray at his “safe house” a few months after the shooting and instigated a fight that left him with a bloodied eye.

    With three victims testifying against her, Alexander was convicted of aggravated assault. She was sentenced to 20 years in prison under Florida’s “10-20-Life” minimum sentencing law, which requires anyone who fires a gun during an aggravated assault to serve 20 years.
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    One of the articles I read said she would have been better off if she had killed him. The crime was assualt but involved a gun so mandatory minimums kicked in. In manslaughter a judge has more flexibility with sentencing.


    If I understand correctly, he was at her house in spite of a restraining order. She went to the garage and got her gun. They argued he should have left. If this is true, this is BS. If an intruder broke in, wouldn't gun owners advocate getting their gun and shooing of the intruder rather than fleeing their own home?

    Does anyone have a link to the actual transcripts so I can read the whole story?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ethanwinfield View Post
    One of the articles I read said she would have been better off if she had killed him. The crime was assualt but involved a gun so mandatory minimums kicked in. In manslaughter a judge has more flexibility with sentencing.


    If I understand correctly, he was at her house in spite of a restraining order. She went to the garage and got her gun. They argued he should have left. If this is true, this is BS. If an intruder broke in, wouldn't gun owners advocate getting their gun and shooing of the intruder rather than fleeing their own home?

    Does anyone have a link to the actual transcripts so I can read the whole story?
    I searched for a trial transcript and wasn't able to find it. I did find this:

    States Motion in Opposition of Defendants Motion for Immunity

    I guess the things at issue were that she hadn't been living at the house, the husband was living there and she came there to see him. Also that instead of leaving when she had the chance she went to the garage and got her gun and came back and shot at them. And apparently two months after this incident she went to the husband's house and attacked him again, which doesn't really support her claim that she was afraid of him. I'm not really sure what to believe in this case it is really hard to find unbiased information on it, but it seems the jury believed the husband over her.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GloriaInTX View Post
    I searched for a trial transcript and wasn't able to find it. I did find this:

    States Motion in Opposition of Defendants Motion for Immunity

    I guess the things at issue were that she hadn't been living at the house, the husband was living there and she came there to see him. Also that instead of leaving when she had the chance she went to the garage and got her gun and came back and shot at them. And apparently two months after this incident she went to the husband's house and attacked him again, which doesn't really support her claim that she was afraid of him. I'm not really sure what to believe in this case it is really hard to find unbiased information on it, but it seems the jury believed the husband over her.
    I can't access this link, but from everything I've read, she went to the house to pick up clothes and thought he would not be there (rather than going there to see him, which would be much different). Also, if you read the husband's deposition, it's pretty hard to side with him. In court he changed his whole story and said in the deposition he was trying to protect her. What a load of crap.
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    The article I saw made it sound like it was her mother's house; she'd been staying with her mother since giving birth just nine days earlier. The husband came and confronted her, in violation of a restraining order, because he found texts between her & her first husband. The jury wasn't allowed to hear evidence that her husband had abused her in the past, or that he had beaten her so badly during her pregnancy that their daughter was born prematurely and was in the NICU fighting for her life when this happened. And his kids testified on his behalf? Wow, that's super surprising. Not.

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    It sure would be nice to find a transcript. It seems like there has to be more to the story that the jury heard since I read one place that they convicted her in just 12 minutes. I read that article as she had been staying with her mother and then went over to the house where her husband was staying on the day of the shooting, not that it happened in her mother's house.
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    I do not think we have enough facts to say one way or the other if this woman was justly tried. Poor past judgements however, do not IMO have any baring on the GZ/TM case.

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