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    I don't know how you can judge the intent of the law, except by what is written. The first part talks about punishing homosexuality, the second part talks about the death penalty for "aggrevated homosexuality" which makes zero clarifications about age, consent, and even says straight out that anyone who engages in homosexuality multiple times should be put to death. I don't see how you can say that this law is all about rape the way it is written. To me, it seems very clear that the intent of the law is to punish homosexuality, and as harshly as possible. What are you looking at that I'm not seeing that clarifies that it is all about protecting children from rape?

    RE: the rape thing. My personal outrage over the death penalty for people who rape females isn't really there, just as my outrage over the death penalty for male rape also isn't really there. I don't really like the death penalty, but if you're going to give it to anyone, a rapist gets low priority for my sympathies. My outrage over this law has very little to do with rape, and very much to do with the fact that I see it as a way to imprison and even kill consenting adults.

    Again, I would welcome resolutions against killing gay people in the middle east.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alissa_Sal View Post
    I don't know how you can judge the intent of the law, except by what is written. The first part talks about punishing homosexuality, the second part talks about the death penalty for "aggrevated homosexuality" which makes zero clarifications about age, consent, and even says straight out that anyone who engages in homosexuality multiple times should be put to death. I don't see how you can say that this law is all about rape the way it is written. To me, it seems very clear that the intent of the law is to punish homosexuality, and as harshly as possible. What are you looking at that I'm not seeing that clarifies that it is all about protecting children from rape?

    RE: the rape thing. My personal outrage over the death penalty for people who rape females isn't really there, just as my outrage over the death penalty for male rape also isn't really there. I don't really like the death penalty, but if you're going to give it to anyone, a rapist gets low priority for my sympathies. My outrage over this law has very little to do with rape, and very much to do with the fact that I see it as a way to imprison and even kill consenting adults.

    Again, I would welcome resolutions against killing gay people in the middle east.
    We can know the intent when the pastors who proposed the law have given that as their reason.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GloriaInTX View Post
    We can know the intent when the pastors who proposed the law have given that as their reason.
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    BS. It was already against the law to rape a child of either gender in Uganda. They didn't need a special law for homosexual rape. The only thing this law did was expand the prosecution of homosexuals.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alissa_Sal View Post
    BS. It was already against the law to rape a child of either gender in Uganda. They didn't need a special law for homosexual rape. The only thing this law did was expand the prosecution of homosexuals.
    Actually it isn't.

    SECTION THREE

    THE LAW RELATING TO DOMESTIC VIOLENCE, RAPE AND DEFILEMENT

    (i) RAPE

    The offence of rape is defined in Section 117 of the Penal Code Act (Cap.106 of the Laws of Uganda). "Any person who has unlawful carnal knowledge of a woman without her consent, or with her consent, if the consent is obtained by force or by means of threat or intimidation of any kind, or by fear of bodily harm, or means of false representation as to the nature of the act, or in the case of married women, by personating her husband, is guilty of the felony termed rape". Section 118 of the Penal Code act prescribes the punishment of rape and it provides thus: - " Any person convicted of rape shall be liable to suffer death

    The Penal Code act also provides for attempted rape. Under section 119, it is provided that: - " Any person who attempts to commit rape is guilty of a felony and is liable to imprisonment for life, with or without corporal punishment.

    (ii) DEFILEMENT

    Section 123 of the Penal Code provides for defilement of girls under 18 years of age. Section 123(1) states that: - " Any person who unlawfully has sexual intercourse with a girl under the age of eighteen years is guilty of an offence and is liable to suffer death."
    Sub-section 2 of Section 123 of the Penal Code provides for attempts to defile a girl under the age of eighteen years. It states that: "Any person who attempts to have unlawful sexual intercourse with a girl under the age of eighteen years is guilty of an offence and is liable to imprisonment for eighteen years with or without corporal punishment".
    Q.15 Has the legal system taken any step to help the boy child in case of sexual Abuse?

    ANSWER
    The Ugandan Law Reform Commission recommended that in the upcoming Sexual Offences Bill, the offence of Indecent Assault should be revised to cater for the boy child too. It was suggested that any person who performs a sexual act with a boy below 18 years of age commits the offence of defilement.
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    Your link says that raping a boy under 18 is currently called Indecent Assault (which IS against the law, although it carries a lighter sentence), and that they are working on a Sexual Assault Bill that will make it equal for both boys and girls, which is exactly what they should do. However, that still doesn't mean that they need a special homosexual rape law, it means that they need to make it an equal offense to rape either a boy or a girl, no matter who is doing the raping. Which it sounds like they are doing, aside from the "Kill the Gays" law.

    I still can't believe this law (or it's intent) is a-okay with you. I think I'm going to have to leave it here, to be honest.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alissa_Sal View Post
    Your link says that raping a boy under 18 is currently called Indecent Assault (which IS against the law, although it carries a lighter sentence), and that they are working on a Sexual Assault Bill that will make it equal for both boys and girls, which is exactly what they should do. However, that still doesn't mean that they need a special homosexual rape law, it means that they need to make it an equal offense to rape either a boy or a girl, no matter who is doing the raping. Which it sounds like they are doing, aside from the "Kill the Gays" law.

    I still can't believe this law (or it's intent) is a-okay with you. I think I'm going to have to leave it here, to be honest.
    They couldn't get this law passed because of the political pressure so they are putting it in a different bill which is The Sexual Offenses bill that they are talking about. That doesn't change that the reason this bill was initiated to begin with was to protect boys from rape.

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