Does this teacher deserve her job back?

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Does this teacher deserve her job back?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/06/04/teacher-punches-student_n_871112.html

" article" wrote:

Three weeks ago, students in Sandra Hadsock's class learned a lesson you might not expect from a 64-year-old art teacher: How to throw a right hook.

According to Daily Mail, Hadsock struck one of her students after he allegedly called her obscene names and backed her against a wall. Although originally arrested and charged with child abuse, the State Attorney's Office has now decided not to file criminal charges, stating it is unclear whether or not Hadsock was acting in self defense.

Hadsock's attoney, Ty Tison, says the video "speaks for itself," reports St. Petersberg Times:

"If she would have done nothing, you might have been talking about some very severe injuries to a 64-year-old teacher. She wasn't going to wait to find out."

Video captured from a student's cellphone shows the shocking footage of the classroom feud escalating into a one-sided boxing match.

After watching the video, do you think it was self defense, and do you think she should get her job back?

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After watching the video, I can't say I would have behaved differently. Fight or flight is human nature regardless of our attacker.

I don't know laws very well, but based on my very uneducated opinion of a short cell phone clip, I'd give her her job back.

What an unfortunate situation.

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I can't see the video. But it breaks my heart to see an actual journalistic entity write something as obscene as "according to the Daily Mail."

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What a sad situation. Sad that the kid felt it was appropriate to act that way. Sad that she let it get that far. Sad that it will impact her ability to teach. If nothing else, the kids will be nervous and so will she. That's not an appropriate learning environment.

I'd have to say that it looks like self-defense, but I hope they'll at least put her in another school.

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I think this was a reaction to a scary situation. The student was much larger than her and being aggressive in tone and body language.

I don't know what I would have done, but I think what she did was a natural reaction to being threatened in that manner.

Yes, she should get her job back.

How far do we take the limitations on what teachers can do? You could hear the kids in the background yelling that she had not right to touch him. I don't know. It just seems so sad all around and I wouldn't put it past anyone that the student doesn't sue the teacher for touching him.

ps Why does it seem like these things happen so often in Florida? Smile

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"elleon17" wrote:

ps Why does it seem like these things happen so often in Florida? Smile

Probably the heat... Smile

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Definitely self defense. That kid gave her a body slam before she decked him! I'd love to see charges pressed against him.

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Totally self defense. She should get her job back and he should be suspended/expelled.

That student was definitely trying to intimidate her, obviously thinking she would cower from him. If you threaten someone, they most certainly can defend themselves. He isn't a child and is fully responsible for his actions.

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"kris_w" wrote:

Totally self defense. She should get her job back and he should be suspended/expelled.

That student was definitely trying to intimidate her, obviously thinking she would cower from him. If you threaten someone, they most certainly can defend themselves. He isn't a child and is fully responsible for his actions.

This. The little f*face deserves to go to juvie at a minimum and do some freaking hardcore community service.

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Wow. My first thought was, "that little bastard..."

Although it was a very short clip, the teacher can be heard loud and clear saying, "STEP BACK". Seems like she handled the situation the best she could up until that point. Self-defense is my opinion. That boy's body language was screaming "I am angry and will hurt you". I don't blame her at all. It's not like we are talking 3rd graders here. That was one big boy!

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"blather" wrote:

I can't see the video. But it breaks my heart to see an actual journalistic entity write something as obscene as "according to the Daily Mail."

HuffPo?? Really?

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You know, if this kid had done the exact same thing to another teenager, there would be shouts of bullying, he would eventually get expelled, and people would be giving the bullied teenager a scholarship. But we undervalue what teachers in these areas go through so much that this woman had to go through more crap with the people she worked with and who should have backed her up. Mainly (IMO) because the school is probably scared of a lawsuit from this crazy teenager's parents. It's wrong.

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"daniellevmt" wrote:

HuffPo?? Really?

Yes! The Daily Mail is The National Enquirer of the UK. HuffPo has some ethics.

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I wonder how old this child was, because that makes a difference in what she did. If we're talking about a teen, then I believe she had every right to do what she did. Getting in someone's face is a direct threat, and she had every right to defend herself, especially in the workplace.

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My opinion probably won't be popular, but that's okay. I'm not sure the teacher did everything in her power to de-escalate the situation before it turned into a boxing match. If a student is getting loud, calling me names, and making threats, the first thing I'm going to do is call for help. If help doesn't come fast enough I'm going to leave the room, or at least get close to an exit. This teacher had her back to the door and could have easily went through the door to safety.

I just sat through 12 hours of CPI training which included verbal de-escalation, grabs, and restraints. We were told that if we followed the CPI procedures the district would back us up, but if we didn't follow the procedures (decking a kid in the face....) we were on our own. I understand why.

I don't think this lady should lose her job, but I definitely think she needs more training. The kid should be expelled.

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"Alana*sMommy" wrote:

My opinion probably won't be popular, but that's okay. I'm not sure the teacher did everything in her power to de-escalate the situation before it turned into a boxing match. If a student is getting loud, calling me names, and making threats, the first thing I'm going to do is call for help. If help doesn't come fast enough I'm going to leave the room, or at least get close to an exit. This teacher had her back to the door and could have easily went through the door to safety.

I just sat through 12 hours of CPI training which included verbal de-escalation, grabs, and restraints. We were told that if we followed the CPI procedures the district would back us up, but if we didn't follow the procedures (decking a kid in the face....) we were on our own. I understand why.

I don't think this lady should lose her job, but I definitely think she needs more training. The kid should be expelled.

Well said! I totally agree. It also made me think of that kid in Australia that was getting bullied by the kid who was half his size, it was all caught on tape. The bully must have hit this bigger kid like 5 or 6 times and kept getting in his face. The older kid tried to get him to stop and he wouldn't so the big kid finally picked up this little bully and body slammed him onto the ground! I thought it was awesome and exactly what this little bullying brat deserved... but of course his parents tried to press charges. Are you kidding me? He wouldn't have gotten his @ss handed to him if he hadn't have been bullying!

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