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    Quote Originally Posted by GloriaInTX View Post
    Ya sure, that is why so many states passed constitutional amendments that marriage is between a man and a woman because there is no disagreement about that and no one is trying to change that definition.
    So you mean that they have just worked to change the legal definition of marriage after it was what it was?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alissa_Sal View Post
    But this is already in place. So....you want people to be able to get married wherever and by whomever they want, and then to file a legal contract with the government to get their rights....but it will different from what we already have? How?
    I feel a little like we are beating a dead horse because we have done this already, but I believe everyone should be able to chose one person that is there "person" without it being through marriage. For example, If I lived with my sister raised our children together, she could not be the one I chose to put on my health insurance because obviously two sisters do not get married and it is not a romantic relationship. Marriage is very limiting in that situation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AlyssaEimers View Post
    I feel a little like we are beating a dead horse because we have done this already, but I believe everyone should be able to chose one person that is there "person" without it being through marriage. For example, If I lived with my sister raised our children together, she could not be the one I chose to put on my health insurance because obviously two sisters do not get married and it is not a romantic relationship. Marriage is very limiting in that situation.
    But do you think people should still be able to get married? Even if you were able to designate anyone as your "other" for insurance purposes, do you think marriage should still exist? This scenario doesn't preclude it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AlyssaEimers View Post
    I feel a little like we are beating a dead horse because we have done this already, but I believe everyone should be able to chose one person that is there "person" without it being through marriage. For example, If I lived with my sister raised our children together, she could not be the one I chose to put on my health insurance because obviously two sisters do not get married and it is not a romantic relationship. Marriage is very limiting in that situation.
    Okay. But what does that have to do with mariage OR with keeping gay people from marrying? I don't understand the connection.

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    Because I think marriage should be separate from a legal agreement where you choose who is your closest kin.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AlyssaEimers View Post
    Because I think marriage should be separate from a legal agreement where you choose who is your closest kin.
    THEN is it okay for gay people to get married?
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    Quote Originally Posted by freddieflounder101 View Post
    THEN is it okay for gay people to get married?
    Then any one who wanted to (sisters, a gay couple, a straight couple, father son, whatever) could have the legal standing of next of kin. Also any couple that wanted to could have whatever civil service they wanted. Marriage only accounts for a romantic relationship. It does not make sense (Imo) for the Government to be telling you who you are closest to.

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    Im so lost now. What does marriage have to do with next of kin? Or who one is "closest to"?

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    What are the legal benefits of getting married? Being able to claim that person on your health insurance, being able to visit that person in the hospital and make medical decisions and so forth. In my opinion those rights should not be tied to marriage. As I pointed out there are many close relationships that you would not get married, but that person might still be the closest person to you.

    In my opinion, marriage should not be tied to those legal rights. You should be able to choose who is next of kin and therefore able to get those benefits.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AlyssaEimers View Post
    What are the legal benefits of getting married? Being able to claim that person on your health insurance, being able to visit that person in the hospital and make medical decisions and so forth. In my opinion those rights should not be tied to marriage. As I pointed out there are many close relationships that you would not get married, but that person might still be the closest person to you.

    In my opinion, marriage should not be tied to those legal rights. You should be able to choose who is next of kin and therefore able to get those benefits.
    Totally get you totally agree.

    Doing it this way.. allows people to do what they want.. feel how they feel about the situation.. WITHOUT forcing someone to do something they disagree with, or saying they agree with something they don't... Everyone.. SINGLES included are given the same rights.

    Doesn't mean marriage is right or wrong.. means one doesn't have to condone it... By making it a legal issue.. take the legality out of marriage.. takes the acceptance of the issue out of it. People could marry whom or what they want.. it would have no legal binding at all.
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