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    Quote Originally Posted by AlyssaEimers View Post
    What are the legal benefits of getting married? Being able to claim that person on your health insurance, being able to visit that person in the hospital and make medical decisions and so forth. In my opinion those rights should not be tied to marriage. As I pointed out there are many close relationships that you would not get married, but that person might still be the closest person to you.

    In my opinion, marriage should not be tied to those legal rights. You should be able to choose who is next of kin and therefore able to get those benefits.

    Parents and children have that- why would you want a father and son to be able to register this weird partnership you envision? With universal healthcare that is going to be a moot point. And you can give ANYONE you choose medical POA if you choose. Your sister, father, or neighbor- up to you. I don't really see any valid points in your argument.

    again- the government is in the business of promoting instructions which make for a stronger society- it's why you get a deduction for mortgage interest and your 401k savings are tax free...... Marriage is good for society so it gets benefits, just like donating to charity does, owning a home does, or investing in retirement does. Do you also call those programs "discriminatory". It's just so grasping at straws like that its hard to read with a straight face. These are just not valid reasons to be anti.gay marriage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rivergallery View Post
    Totally get you totally agree.

    Doing it this way.. allows people to do what they want.. feel how they feel about the situation.. WITHOUT forcing someone to do something they disagree with, or saying they agree with something they don't... Everyone.. SINGLES included are given the same rights.

    Doesn't mean marriage is right or wrong.. means one doesn't have to condone it... By making it a legal issue.. take the legality out of marriage.. takes the acceptance of the issue out of it. People could marry whom or what they want.. it would have no legal binding at all.
    Or what they want? Like a sheep or a lamp post? No, sorry, but that's ridiculous. Please don't ruin marriage like that.

    Singles have different rights. Namely the right to marry if and when they choose. You guys are being ridiculous acting like marriage grants one like golden underwear or something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Potter75 View Post
    Parents and children have that- why would you want a father and son to be able to register this weird partnership you envision? With universal healthcare that is going to be a moot point. And you can give ANYONE you choose medical POA if you choose. Your sister, father, or neighbor- up to you. I don't really see any valid points in your argument.

    again- the government is in the business of promoting instructions which make for a stronger society- it's why you get a deduction for mortgage interest and your 401k savings are tax free...... Marriage is good for society so it gets benefits, just like donating to charity does, owning a home does, or investing in retirement does. Do you also call those programs "discriminatory". It's just so grasping at straws like that its hard to read with a straight face. These are just not valid reasons to be anti.gay marriage.
    First, I did not say I was anti gay marriage (I know others on this board are), I said in my ideal world the government would not be involved in marriage at all. I do not plan to be involved in a gay marriage, but I don't really care what you do.

    Second, what about an adult son wanting to put his elderly father on his insurance. That is what I meant. Yes, there are a host of legal run around to make it so you can choose people, but it would be much easier if you could just chose who your next of kin is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Potter75 View Post

    Singles have different rights. Namely the right to marry if and when they choose.
    This is no different than saying marriage is not discriminatory to gay people because they do have the right to get married. They have the right to marry someone of the opposite sex.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlyssaEimers View Post
    This is no different than saying marriage is not discriminatory to gay people because they do have the right to get married. They have the right to marry someone of the opposite sex.
    Yes, it is different.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlyssaEimers View Post
    First, I did not say I was anti gay marriage (I know others on this board are), I said in my ideal world the government would not be involved in marriage at all. I do not plan to be involved in a gay marriage, but I don't really care what you do.

    Second, what about an adult son wanting to put his elderly father on his insurance. That is what I meant. Yes, there are a host of legal run around to make it so you can choose people, but it would be much easier if you could just chose who your next of kin is.
    So you believe gay Americans should be able to marry in every state? Please be clear so I do understand your position - no talking about fairy worlds- just what you believe in this real world current America.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Potter75 View Post
    Yes, it is different.
    How is it different?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Potter75 View Post
    So you believe gay Americans should be able to marry in every state? Please be clear so I do understand your position - no talking about fairy worlds- just what you believe in this real world current America.
    In the real world, I do not care at all who gets married, but I do think States should be able to make their own laws.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlyssaEimers View Post
    How is it different?
    Seriously? Single straight people can marry another straight person in all 50 states. A single gay person cannot marry a gay person in 40 states. Why on earth would a gay person marry a straight person? Would you marry a gay person? What the what?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Potter75 View Post
    Seriously? Single straight people can marry another straight person in all 50 states. A single gay person cannot marry a gay person in 40 states. Why on earth would a gay person marry a straight person? Would you marry a gay person? What the what?
    You are still asking someone to marry someone else they are not in love with in order to get the legal benefits of marriage.

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