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    Gay Marriage: States That Allow Same-Sex Unions Have Lower Divorce Rates


    We were the first state to allow SS marriage and the state with the lowest divorce rate. Go Mass!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jessica80 View Post
    Gay Marriage: States That Allow Same-Sex Unions Have Lower Divorce Rates


    We were the first state to allow SS marriage and the state with the lowest divorce rate. Go Mass!
    Guess you missed the part that the reason that the divorce rate is low is because no one is getting married anymore. If you don't get married you won't have divorces. Marriage rates are decreasing all around the country because it is starting to mean less and less.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GloriaInTX View Post
    Guess you missed the part that the reason that the divorce rate is low is because no one is getting married anymore. If you don't get married you won't have divorces. Marriage rates are decreasing all around the country because it is starting to mean less and less.

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    Isn't it normed so we're comparing apples to apples?

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    ITA with EW. Marriage isn't starting to mean less and less; it's actually starting to mean more and more to those of us who care about it and choose to do it. The people who don't really care about being married are no longer feeling forced into it by society's dictates (because they have a baby on the way or are approaching 30 or will be thought of as gay if they don't get married) and the people who want to be married but were restricted by society's dictates (interracial couples a few decades ago, and gays & lesbians now) are now free to do it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ethanwinfield View Post
    Isn't it normed so we're comparing apples to apples?
    Well the marriage rate in Massachusetts went down from 7.9% in 1990 to 5.5% in 2009. Divorce rate went down from 2.8% in 1990 to 2.2% in 2009. Read from that what you will.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GloriaInTX View Post
    Well the marriage rate in Massachusetts went down from 7.9% in 1990 to 5.5% in 2009. Divorce rate went down from 2.8% in 1990 to 2.2% in 2009. Read from that what you will.

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    You skipped over the decline from 7.9 in 1990 to 5.8 in 2000. It was only a decline from 5.8 to 5.5 between 2000 - 2009. The marriage rate declined more significantly in the decade before same sex marriage than the decade during which it became legal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ethanwinfield View Post
    You skipped over the decline from 7.9 in 1990 to 5.8 in 2000. It was only a decline from 5.8 to 5.5 between 2000 - 2009. The marriage rate declined more significantly in the decade [i]before[/] same sex marriage than the decade during which it became legal.
    So how does that prove that same sex marriage causes a lower divorce rate?
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    Quote Originally Posted by GloriaInTX View Post
    Guess you missed the part that the reason that the divorce rate is low is because no one is getting married anymore. If you don't get married you won't have divorces. Marriage rates are decreasing all around the country because it is starting to mean less and less.
    Wouldn't that mean that for those of of who do get bothered, marriage means more? I mean, back in the day you basically HAD to get married if you wanted a "normal" life, right? Now, people still have kids, have families, careers, (not to mention S-E-X!!!) and they don't have to get married to do it. So for those of us who DO choose to get married, it's not because we have to, but because we want to. I think that makes marriage mean more, not less.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GloriaInTX View Post
    So how does that prove that same sex marriage causes a lower divorce rate?
    I didn't say it did. I thought it was interesting.

    I was talking to a friend last night and I was saying I think that being open to all lifestyles allows people who live here to choose what is right for them. Marrying someone they love, living together with someone they love, being single...it's okay. We are not an area that has a huge abstinence promotion so people don't feel rushed into marriage in order to have sex nor do they feel rushed to be married due to an unplanned pregnancy. I think being certain about being married is a huge contributor to low divorce rates.

    Plus, we wouldn't have any of those sham marriages with a gay partner and a hetero partner because we don't think gay people should marry someone they didn't love just to get marriage benefits.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GloriaInTX View Post
    So how does that prove that same sex marriage causes a lower divorce rate?
    I'm not trying to prove that same sex marriages causes a lower divorce rate. I'm trying to disprove your hypothesis that the divore rate is lower because the marriage rate decreased when same sex marriage became leagal in MA. The marriage rate decreased more significantly in the decade before it became legal - not after.

    That said, not enough time has passed since same-sex marriage became legal in MA. So much has happened in the world of marriage between 1 man and 1 woman. Heterosexual marriage has had enough time to cover divorce and re-marriage that we can make predictions about the percentage of marriage ending in divorce, etc. We don't yet have enough data on same sex marriages.

    Perhaps over time we will see that same sex marriage is no different in terms of divorce and affairs. Or maybe time will show that among gay men, the rates are higher but the rates among lesbians is lower. Maybe same-sex couples are more monogomous thus lowering the overall rate.

    So many things go into the marriage/divorce rates that mere numbers don't reflect. How people view marriage has changed. Laws have changed addressing how men can treat their wives. Women have more opportunities to support themselves without relying on men to support them. Couples no longer believe they must get married just because of a pregnancy or need to stay together for the sake of the children. Casual sex and living together without the "piece of paper" aren't the taboo they once were. Adultery was once a crime and divorces weren't "no fault."

    One thing is sure though. None of the heterosexual marriages suddenly became void because a same sex couple got married any more than a heterosexual marriage became void because their next door neighbor got divorced.

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