I thought this quote that was on the front of my church's bulletin this morning was interesting, in light of this debate:
"Sometimes the Bible in the hand of one man is worse than the whiskey bottle in the hand of (another)...There are just some kind of men who are so busy worrying about the next world they've never learned to live in this one, and you can look down the street and see the results"
- Harper Lee
What I took away from that is that some people are so worried about judging others for their sins and how they'll go to hell, instead of learning to accept others for who they are. Time change - we are not the same world we were when the Bible was originally authored. I'm not saying "hey, murder is awesome!!!". But even if you see homosexuality as a sin, honestly - how is it affecting you? Did your marriage suddenly become less meaningful when DOMA was struck down?
Carolyn - 37
Wife to Chad - 39
Mom to Tom - 15
Nathan - 10
But no, as I said, it's not appropriate to debate you personally.
But I'm also not going to pretend like I have no idea where anyone would get the idea that you have a problem with homosexuals.
-Alissa, mom to Tristan (5) and Reid (the baby!)
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I do not think the Government has any business in marriage. If the Government stepped out of marriage, in the eyes of the law my marriage would be like a common law partnership. This partnership could be available to anyone. man/woman, woman/woman, man/man, two best friends, an adult son and his elderly father, aunt niece whatever. If related it might not be the closest biological relationship. This partnership is not defined by romantic love. Anyone that wanted a civil wedding could have one. It may be a religious service in a church, but it may also be something else in a rented hall or outside. Many of the weddings I have been to are not done in a church. Many weddings are also performed by a normal person who gets a special licence to be able to marry someone. In this scenario anyone could by married before their friends and family by whomever they chose.
I do think the currant system is biased to many people, not just homosexuals. I believe it would be more fair for everyone involved if the Government was not picking and choosing who to allow these benefits go to. The Government process of joining property should not be handled in a religious ceremony, and the Government should not be butting its nose into a religious ceremony. It also would not be asking anyone to pay taxes toward any particular relationship. Everyone would pay the same percentage of taxes regardless if they were married or not.
I do not understand why we are even entering that into the debate. You yourself say it won't work and will never happen. It's like debating which color unicorn is the prettiest.eta: and anyone could do it? So on a random Friday night after some drinks 23 year old Jim bob could "marry" sue and chip? And WHO keeps track of all of these legal couplings and uncouplings? It would be a paperwork NIGHTMARE. It's just so zany as to make me think you are joking.
Last edited by Potter75; 07-14-2013 at 05:20 PM.
Another hot topic. I find that these discussions are important and reasonable to have. My personal hope would be that somehow both sides would have an opportunity to present their pov in a way that the opposing side would be able to gain a better understanding (not agreement) of their position.
I do not believe that anyone on this board, however, should then feel bullied, attacked, etc. for sharing their point of view. As I shared on the other thread -- it is FINE to disagree with a post or position but LEAVE the personal attacks out. DEBATE the topic.
If ALL sin is the same, we should work together to get the cruise lines shut down lest we allow the sin of sloth. And how about lust? Yeah, I don't see legislators trying to ban man's right to drool on the Victoria Secret catalog and woman's right to sell lap dances in Vegas.
Greed? I don't even know where to start. Maybe we should throw Donald Trump in jail now.