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    In fact, it begs the question, are you being forced to support my marriage?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rivergallery View Post
    However.. we are not just being asked to allow a sin.. we are being asked to support it financially and in our words.. and are labeled if we do not agree with the behavior.
    Also- you've mentioned many times being a very low income family (your words). I feel pretty confident that you don't pay federal taxes. You live in a state that does not have sales tax, so you don't pay that either. What the what exactly are you supporting financially? I have several very wealthy gay friends and there are many gay people in the 1%- it's more like they are supporting YOU when you drive on nice roads or have access to public libraries or a military that protects you. Kindov ironic, really.
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    I don't think we need to speculate about specific people's income or taxes. That also seems like going down a rocky road. Point being, it would be interesting to hear what specific financial contributions people expect to pay to gay families.
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    That's ridiculous. I'm quoting her exact words not speculating anything. If she's allowed to talk about Stacey's abortion because Stacey brought it up I can certainly quote her re:income if she brings it up (in the raising kids to be independent thread). Sorry but it can't be okay to tell Stacey she killed a baby for money but then when Rachel says she is paying for gay marriage bring up her OWN post about income? That's a blatant double standard.
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    I don't remember her talking about what taxes she pays or doesn't. Even if she did, I think taking personal info from one debate out of context to another debate is kind of rude, and certainly not necessary to make your point. I don't want to create an atmosphere where we are all scared to share any personal stories because someone may turn around in a thread two weeks later and use it out of context as a weapon. I think it's different if you specifically introduce your story into a given debate thread on that topic, because you are recognizing that your experiences may well be debated there. But taking it out of context seems like dirty pool to me.

    In any case, I don't think it's a double standard because I certainly didn't think that Rachel's response to Stacey regarding her abortion was appropriate, and Missy addressed it.
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    I think we can still ask the question without delving into anyone's personal situation. How are people financially supporting gay marriage, or really anyone else's marriage? Am I supporting yours? Are you supporting mine?
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    Okay. Well it will be interesting then to hear how Rachel financially supports gay people. I absolutely think it was necessary towards making my point- she is claiming to personally have financial responsibilities that other posts seem to make seem impossible. If you think that's rude I don't know what to tell you- it's a fair debate point. No one should ever be afraid to share personal info- unless of course that info is untrue or hypocritical - I mean- that's just logical I'd think.

    So I guess we are all supposed to forget everything we read from one debate to the next. Difficult when you remember everything you read but I will give it a shot!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Potter75 View Post
    That's ridiculous. I'm quoting her exact words not speculating anything. If she's allowed to talk about Stacey's abortion because Stacey brought it up I can certainly quote her re:income if she brings it up (in the raising kids to be independent thread). Sorry but it can't be okay to tell Stacey she killed a baby for money but then when Rachel says she is paying for gay marriage bring up her OWN post about income? That's a blatant double standard.
    "We" implies more than just me.. "We" in THIS thread implies the conservative right that are pro-traditional one man one woman marriage.

    Not sure how to double quote so here is what I had said - "However.. we are not just being asked to allow a sin.. we are being asked to support it financially and in our words.. and are labeled if we do not agree with the behavior."

    In my sentence no where does it bring my personal income or what I pay into this discussion.. you did that. Please stop trying to derail the subject. In FACT.. being ASKED was what I posted... I didn't even say that they DID pay..
    A more valid question would be.. WHAT are You as a group being asked to pay...?
    That is what I will answer.
    We as employers, clergy, and common folk.. are being asked to support someone else. This would be the same in AlyssaElmers world also. We support the spouse of the employee in their healthcare for example.. those that pay healthcare.. it goes into a pot and that pot pays for that employee and their spouse.. and children if they have them.. This would support the "spouse" of the homosexual person. In Alyssa's world, we would support the person but.. it wouldn't be gay marriage. Everyone would have one other person they delegate to receive those benefits.. everyone.. even single people like she mentioned would be eligible for this benefit. We (SOCIETY as a whole) would not have to support gay marriage as it wouldn't be a qualification for the benefits.

    Again - it makes no difference what someone pays in taxes. They still have the right to vote .
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rivergallery View Post
    "We" implies more than just me.. "We" in THIS thread implies the conservative right that are pro-traditional one man one woman marriage.

    Not sure how to double quote so here is what I had said - "However.. we are not just being asked to allow a sin.. we are being asked to support it financially and in our words.. and are labeled if we do not agree with the behavior."

    In my sentence no where does it bring my personal income or what I pay into this discussion.. you did that. Please stop trying to derail the subject. In FACT.. being ASKED was what I posted... I didn't even say that they DID pay..
    A more valid question would be.. WHAT are You as a group being asked to pay...?
    That is what I will answer.
    We as employers, clergy, and common folk.. are being asked to support someone else. This would be the same in AlyssaElmers world also. We support the spouse of the employee in their healthcare for example.. those that pay healthcare.. it goes into a pot and that pot pays for that employee and their spouse.. and children if they have them.. This would support the "spouse" of the homosexual person. In Alyssa's world, we would support the person but.. it wouldn't be gay marriage. Everyone would have one other person they delegate to receive those benefits.. everyone.. even single people like she mentioned would be eligible for this benefit. We (SOCIETY as a whole) would not have to support gay marriage as it wouldn't be a qualification for the benefits.

    Again - it makes no difference what someone pays in taxes. They still have the right to vote .
    No wait. I get healthcare through my employer, if I were gay and married my spouse would be covered. How are taxpayers supporting that?

    In general are you supporting my marriage financially in some way?
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    Quote Originally Posted by freddieflounder101 View Post
    No wait. I get healthcare through my employer, if I were gay and married my spouse would be covered. How are taxpayers supporting that?

    In general are you supporting my marriage financially in some way?
    No you in particular, but if you were a federal employee that would be the case.
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