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    Quote Originally Posted by ethanwinfield View Post
    I'm not trying to prove that same sex marriages causes a lower divorce rate. I'm trying to disprove your hypothesis that the divore rate is lower because the marriage rate decreased when same sex marriage became leagal in MA. The marriage rate decreased more significantly in the decade before it became legal - not after.
    That's not what I said. I said the divorce rate is lower because the marriage rate is lower. I don't think same sex marriage has anything to do with it one way or the other, other than the fact that marriage in general means less to people.
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    I had another chart that showed marriages/divorce rates per 1000...so it was more reflective of the whole and we still had one of the least divorce rate pre and post legalized SS marriage ...now I can't find it. My internet went down for a few.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GloriaInTX View Post
    That's not what I said. I said the divorce rate is lower because the marriage rate is lower. I don't think same sex marriage has anything to do with it one way or the other, other than the fact that marriage in general means less to people.
    Don't you think that if less people are getting married, those that do are putting more thought into it, and therefore it is working out more?

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    I think marriage means less to people in many cases, but not because of gay marriage. I think it's specifically because of silly celebrity marriages and shows where you win a marriage and such.....those have a negative effect on many people in this country.
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    Quote Originally Posted by freddieflounder101 View Post
    I am so confused by this idea that it can be up to the states. If a couple marries in China, and moves here, they are married. But if a couple marries in New York, they can be not married in New Jersey? It doesn't make ANY sense.
    Speaking only to this - There are a great many of China's laws that are not applicable in the US. There are also many laws that vary from State to State. There are several that come to mind as I just spent two weeks in NY. For example, you can get your learners permit to drive at 15 in TN, but not until 16 in NY. Plus NY has a ton of other rules like not being able to drive after 9 until you are 18 (At least that was the law when I lived there). Car seat laws also greatly vary. For example in GA, after age 4 you do not need a car seat or booster seat of any kind. I both TN and NY you need a booster seat until you are 8 years old. Marriage laws between straight couples also vary greatly between States. In some states you can marry under the age of 18 with just parental consent. I believe in CA you need a court order. Traditionally, marriage is a State issue.
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    But if I married at 16 with parental permission I'm still considered married no matter what state I go to.

    If I'm gay, and I marry here in Mass. and go to Texas, my legally wedded spouse here gets no benefits. That's horse crap.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AlyssaEimers View Post
    Speaking only to this - There are a great many of China's laws that are not applicable in the US. There are also many laws that vary from State to State. There are several that come to mind as I just spent two weeks in NY. For example, you can get your learners permit to drive at 15 in TN, but not until 16 in NY. Plus NY has a ton of other rules like not being able to drive after 9 until you are 18 (At least that was the law when I lived there). Car seat laws also greatly vary. For example in GA, after age 4 you do not need a car seat or booster seat of any kind. I both TN and NY you need a booster seat until you are 8 years old. Marriage laws between straight couples also vary greatly between States. In some states you can marry under the age of 18 with just parental consent. I believe in CA you need a court order. Traditionally, marriage is a State issue.
    But I'm not talking about random laws. I'm talking specifically and exclusively about marriage. If you marry in another country and move here you are still married. (If you're straight.). How can one country have a marriage legal in one state but not in another ? I know that is the case but it seems completely illogical and rather preposterous. How can this make sense as a country?
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    Quote Originally Posted by freddieflounder101 View Post
    But I'm not talking about random laws. I'm talking specifically and exclusively about marriage. If you marry in another country and move here you are still married. (If you're straight.). How can one country have a marriage legal in one state but not in another ? I know that is the case but it seems completely illogical and rather preposterous. How can this make sense as a country?
    It is completely and wholly different to compare a different country with a different State. I would not expect China to recognize any of our laws. If you married in California to another woman then moved to the Middle East, would they recognize your same sex marriage? It is apples to oranges to compare within the US to another country.

    Within the US, I really don't know the answers to getting married in one State where it is legal then moving to another State where it is not. That is something that will probably have to be solved in the courts. Over all though, I think unless there is a Federal guideline, you follow the laws of the State you are in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlyssaEimers View Post
    It is completely and wholly different to compare a different country with a different State. I would not expect China to recognize any of our laws. If you married in California to another woman then moved to the Middle East, would they recognize your same sex marriage? It is apples to oranges to compare within the US to another country.

    Within the US, I really don't know the answers to getting married in one State where it is legal then moving to another State where it is not. That is something that will probably have to be solved in the courts. Over all though, I think unless there is a Federal guideline, you follow the laws of the State you are in.
    I don't think you're getting what I'm trying to say. I think it's LUDICROUS that marriage, which is recognized almost globally from one country to another, can be unrecognized WITHIN a country. I think the whole idea that the states decide on marriage makes no sense and divides us as a nation, and is ludicrous as well. This isn't an issue that has to do with regions or resources, it absolutely should be federal. It doesn't make sense, within a country, to have a marriage that is recognized in one area but not in another. I realize it's the case but it isn't logical.

    I'm not asking China to recognize our laws or asking us to recognize theirs. I'm saying that a marriage in China = a marriage in the U.S., but a marriage in New York does not equal a marriage in New Jersey? And this makes sense to people? And seems right? It baffles me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by freddieflounder101 View Post

    I'm not asking China to recognize our laws or asking us to recognize theirs. I'm saying that a marriage in China = a marriage in the U.S., but a marriage in New York does not equal a marriage in New Jersey? And this makes sense to people? And seems right? It baffles me.
    I understand what you are saying and don't really disagree. What baffles me is the comparison to other countries. I do not believe if you married another woman legally in the US, that all Middle Eastern Countries would recognize that even if it was legal in the US.

    Other countries reaction to our laws is not a basis for our laws. Comparing two different States to two different countries doesn't work.

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