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    Quote Originally Posted by AlyssaEimers View Post
    The legal partnership would still be legal and therefore Government. It simply would be separate from marriage.
    Wait so we have marriage AND this "thing" of yours?

    So can gay people get MARRiED or not?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlyssaEimers View Post
    The legal partnership would still be legal and therefore Government. It simply would be separate from marriage.
    I just don't see how that would work. The Supreme Courts of Vermont and Connecticut have both found that "civil union" was not a reasonable substitute for legal marriage. If you want a marriage, you get married. If you want other kinds of partnerships, then you fill out that kind of paperwork. Different paperwork for different purposes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by freddieflounder101 View Post
    Also I've been looking up this "definition of marriage" business.

    Marriage has been redefined, in this country, MULTIPLE times across decades. This really can't be a sticking issue.
    Well in 31 states it is defined as a union between a man and a woman. If you are fine with that definition then I guess we don't have a problem.
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    Im not worried. If you look at how quickly the pace is picking up as people get more educated and less homophobic- gay marriage will be legal in all 50 states by the time my kids are of marrying age.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GloriaInTX View Post
    Well in 31 states it is defined as a union between a man and a woman. If you are fine with that definition then I guess we don't have a problem.
    You're missing my point.

    My point is that your argument against changing the definition of marriage makes no sense. It is not a consistent definition. It has been changed many times. It has no integrity as something that shouldn't be messed with. Certainly when you're on a quest for equality, it MUST be changed.

    Sometimes it was changed for good, sometimes for bad. In fact, in many states where they don't allow gay marriage, it was CHANGED to reflect that.

    The changing or the not changing is not the guiding principle here. That is what I'm saying.
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    The core definition of marriage between a man and a woman has not changed. I don't think something that happened over 2000 years ago for a few years in Greece has much bearing on marriage today either. If I remember right I think they had married siblings too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GloriaInTX View Post
    The core definition of marriage between a man and a woman has not changed. I don't think something that happened over 2000 years ago for a few years in Greece has much bearing on marriage today either. If I remember right I think they had married siblings too.
    In many Native American tribes (right here in the good old US of A) what we would call gay marriage was accepted as no big deal. It became looked down upon after Christian Europeans came and started basically erradicating Native culture.

    The 'Two-Spirit' people of indigenous North Americans

    Now some tribes have started legalizing gay marriage on tribal land.

    Among Indian tribes, a division over gay marriage - Washington Post

    So really, it is Christians who came in and started changing the American definition of marriage to suit themselves.
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    Quote Originally Posted by freddieflounder101 View Post
    Okay, let's leave out the incest, which I don't think Bonita ever implied.

    BUT....this fairy world definitely includes MORE financial support if we can suddenly put anyone on our insurance. Suddenly you're supporting my sister or my random best friend. This is better?

    So much effort to keep marriage from gay people....
    I may disagree with it politically but I wouldn't see a problem with it religiously... all other things being equal. meaning not taking money from people that need it more.. or taxing people so they can not take care of their own etc etc.
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    I am lost.

    What are the objections remaining to gay marriage?

    Help!

    1. It changes the definition of marriage. Wait, now that's okay. It has changed before anyway.
    2. Government shouldn't be involved in marriage? Haven't seen a reason why it shouldn't except for a proposal for a new utopia in which siblings and friends can be put on our insurance & given benefits. This wouldn't affect marriage after all, it seems.
    3. Taxpayers have to support the gays financially? Wait, no they don't unless they're federal employees.
    4. The Bible says it's wrong? Wait, we don't make laws based on the Bible.

    Where did we net out here?
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    Quote Originally Posted by freddieflounder101 View Post
    I am lost.

    What are the objections remaining to gay marriage?

    Help!

    1. It changes the definition of marriage. Wait, now that's okay. It has changed before anyway.
    2. Government shouldn't be involved in marriage? Haven't seen a reason why it shouldn't except for a proposal for a new utopia in which siblings and friends can be put on our insurance & given benefits. This wouldn't affect marriage after all, it seems.
    3. Taxpayers have to support the gays financially? Wait, no they don't unless they're federal employees.
    4. The Bible says it's wrong? Wait, we don't make laws based on the Bible.

    Where did we net out here?
    Well you just proved the point that you agree with the opposing views you expressed. Big surprise.
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