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    Quote Originally Posted by GloriaInTX View Post
    Well you just proved the point that you agree with the opposing views you expressed. Big surprise.
    How could I agree with them? I don't understand ANY of them!

    None of them make sense, I don't agree with them at all.
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    Gloria -- I am disputing YOUR points.

    YOU said we shouldn't have gay marriage because it goes against the definition of marriage. You've clung to that. And yet we've changed it numerous times to accommodate the rights people deserve.

    Bonita wanted benefits to non-spouses. That doesn't actually affect marriage.

    Then there was a confusing thing about paying for gay people's marriages, which we determined only happens if they're federal employees, sort of. Digression.

    Not one argument against it has held up....especially this new one that I suddenly agree with you, which is kind of hilarious considering I was the witness at my Dad's wedding when he got married in NY.
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    Quote Originally Posted by freddieflounder101 View Post

    Bonita wanted benefits to non-spouses. That doesn't actually affect marriage.
    No, I think legal benefits should not be tied to marriage. That they should be two completely separate entities.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AlyssaEimers View Post
    No, I think legal benefits should not be tied to marriage. That they should be two completely separate entities.
    That still doesn't affect gay marriage. Or are you still advocating taking away my government marriage but keeping your church marriage?
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    Quote Originally Posted by freddieflounder101 View Post
    Gloria -- I am disputing YOUR points.

    YOU said we shouldn't have gay marriage because it goes against the definition of marriage. You've clung to that. And yet we've changed it numerous times to accommodate the rights people deserve.
    No you are repeating the dispute you made on my point. So I guess I will repeat mine. The core definition of marriage as between a man and a woman has not changed. Just repeating the same argument doesn't make it true.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GloriaInTX View Post
    No you are repeating the dispute you made on my point. So I guess I will repeat mine. The core definition of marriage as between a man and a woman has not changed. Just repeating the same argument doesn't make it true.
    Laws around marriage have changed multiple times over the years and gay marriage is now legal in multiple countries and states. It is indeed changing.

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    For the times, they are a-changing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by freddieflounder101 View Post
    I am lost.

    What are the objections remaining to gay marriage?

    Help!

    1. It changes the definition of marriage. Wait, now that's okay. It has changed before anyway.
    2. Government shouldn't be involved in marriage? Haven't seen a reason why it shouldn't except for a proposal for a new utopia in which siblings and friends can be put on our insurance & given benefits. This wouldn't affect marriage after all, it seems.
    3. Taxpayers have to support the gays financially? Wait, no they don't unless they're federal employees.
    4. The Bible says it's wrong? Wait, we don't make laws based on the Bible.

    Where did we net out here?
    1- Just because other marriages were allowed previously in history doesn't mean it is ok.. or that groups will view it as right. Nor does it mean that it isn't changing the definition we currently use in our society.
    2- Government shouldn't be telling people they have to agree to something against their religious beliefs.
    3- I already showed that YES they would have to support gay marriage.
    4- Prove that the majority of laws are NOT based on the Bible.. I will contend that the majority of laws were based on the Bible. And if not.. where did they come from?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rivergallery View Post
    1- Just because other marriages were allowed previously in history doesn't mean it is ok.. or that groups will view it as right. Nor does it mean that it isn't changing the definition we currently use in our society.
    2- Government shouldn't be telling people they have to agree to something against their religious beliefs.
    3- I already showed that YES they would have to support gay marriage.
    4- Prove that the majority of laws are NOT based on the Bible.. I will contend that the majority of laws were based on the Bible. And if not.. where did they come from?
    1. Doesn't mean it isn't okay. Certainly isn't enough of a reason to deny rights or forestall progress.

    2. No one is telling anyone they have to marry a gay person.

    3. Still don't see where you are being forced to support gay marriage. Did we determine that you support others' marriages?

    4. We have multiple religions here in America as well as atheism. Our laws are not dictated by religion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rivergallery View Post
    1- Just because other marriages were allowed previously in history doesn't mean it is ok.. or that groups will view it as right. Nor does it mean that it isn't changing the definition we currently use in our society.

    So then which "traditions" do we pick as right? Since we've made so many changes to marriage rights since this country began do we stop those and reverse them?

    2- Government shouldn't be telling people they have to agree to something against their religious beliefs.

    Nobody is saying you have to agree with it. I don't agree with homeschooling but I'm fine with it being legal.

    3- I already showed that YES they would have to support gay marriage.

    There are so many things we pay for that I disagree with. It's part of being a society though. You don't always get to not support things you don't like.

    4- Prove that the majority of laws are NOT based on the Bible.. I will contend that the majority of laws were based on the Bible. And if not.. where did they come from?
    If this is true, I can't wait for polygamy to become legal again! No, I don't think we base our laws on the Bible. I do believe a lot of laws are found to be supported by the Bible and other religious texts.

    Again, this country should not be basing ANY laws on ANY religious texts. That's crazy.
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