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    That's not what she's saying.

    She is saying that if she and her husband got married in China and moved here (or lived here and just married there) they would be considered married in all 50 states because they are heterosexuals.

    So why is it, that when a same sex couple marries here in Mass. that it is not recognized in Texas? It makes no sense.

    We will take your marriage from another country, with a completely different set of laws, and say it is valid but sorry to the couple from the northeast...you can't move to the south and be recognized as a married couple. Say goodbye to your rights!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jessica80 View Post
    That's not what she's saying.

    She is saying that if she and her husband got married in China and moved here (or lived here and just married there) they would be considered married in all 50 states because they are heterosexuals.

    So why is it, that when a same sex couple marries here in Mass. that it is not recognized in Texas? It makes no sense.

    We will take your marriage from another country, with a completely different set of laws, and say it is valid but sorry to the couple from the northeast...you can't move to the south and be recognized as a married couple. Say goodbye to your rights!
    Thank you.

    I'm not trying to break down the legality of it, I'm talking, big picture, about how ridiculous it is. I recognize your marriage from China but not your marriage from Massachusetts, although we're in America. How can an AMERICAN legal marriage not be recognized in another part of AMERICA, how can people accept that this seems right and makes sense? We are a country! One united country! Why does it seem logical to people to have marriages recognized in one state but not another?

    (I'm from Canada, so this whole "the states should decide" sometimes just baffles me.)
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    Yes. Laurie is not talking about other countries' reactions to our laws, but rather our normal reaction to theirs. If you are legally married in China and then move to the US, we will recognize your marriage. It doesn't really matter whether the reverse is true (whether China or wherever recognizes OUR marriages) because we're not debating Chinese law. It's weird that we recognize (legally) marriages that originate in other countries, but we would not recognize marriages that originate in other states.
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    Sorry for accidentally locking another thread. Sheesh, who left me in charge? Lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by AlyssaEimers View Post
    If you married in California to another woman then moved to the Middle East, would they recognize your same sex marriage?
    So you are saying Texas is like Saudi Arabia? Wouldn't it be better for them to be like Massachusetts than Saudi Arabia?

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    Quote Originally Posted by blather View Post
    So you are saying Texas is like Saudi Arabia? Wouldn't it be better for them to be like Massachusetts than Saudi Arabia?
    Not in the least. I am saying you can't say Texes should recognize someone's marriage because China would. That is what is crazy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlyssaEimers View Post
    Not in the least. I am saying you can't say Texes should recognize someone's marriage because China would. That is what is crazy.
    Don't you think it's odd that we don't recognize legal marriages that happen within our own country?
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    Quote Originally Posted by AlyssaEimers View Post
    Not in the least. I am saying you can't say Texes should recognize someone's marriage because China would. That is what is crazy.

    Texas should recognize someones marriage because Mass does. Not recognizing that is being purposely obtuse or just enjoying it because you are against gay marriage.

    It wouldn't bother you if 10 states allowed homeschooling and 40 didn't? So your girls HS degrees were recognized in 10 states but not the other 40, and they couldn't have the right to go to college in 40 states or find gainful employment in 40 states? You wouldn't find that odd or unfair? Would you still be going on about states rights then?
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    Issuing marriage licenses and granting divorces can be left up to the states. Recognizing another state's marriages and divorces can't. It just wouldn't work.

    There are so many things married couples take for granted that you don't even think about. I don't even know where to begin....

    Just for starters, could you picture yourself married for 20 years when your spouse gets a job opportunity in a different state? The first thing you would need to do is get yourself down to the courthouse and get married again. Even worse, if divorce is only recognized in the state that grants it, crossing into another state would mean another waiting period to establish residency, filing (not cheap!) and waiting for it to be finalized.

    On the plus side (I guess), if your husband travels a lot, he could be married to you in your state, have another legal wife in OK, MT, NJ, FL, HI, and PR. It's not polygamy, right? Then when he dies, whatever state his is in at the time, that wife gets everything.

    When I researched this. the only thing I found was that not all states will recognize marriage between 1st cousins. However, many states (TX included) won't issue marriage licenses for 1st cousins but will recognize a marriage from another state. There were only 3 that wouldn't. That said, even those 3 would never really have grounds to question it. One man, one woman, same last name. When was the last time you thought a married couple was cousins? Come to think of it, when was the last time you saying you are married was ever questioned?

    I couldn't find anything that specifically says a state wouldn't recognize a valid marriage between two minors performed in another state. So it looks like that's valid everywhere too.

    It just seems so bizarre to me that all of the other states will recognize a 5th marriage between one man and one woman and a marriage between a 51 year old man and a 16 year old teen who married in NV with parental consent. TX will recognize this as a valid marriage but not Neil Patrick Harris' or Ellen's marriages.

    To address the DL:
    Usually it is the sate that issues the license that places the restrictions on a license but other states recognize it as valid. Otherwise you wouldn't be able to rent a car if you were going to cross state lines. When I got my license, it was issued in AZ. I never had to take a behind-the-wheel test to get my license there. This is something CA required, but because I already had a valid license from another state, I took the written test and was issued a new license. I had to surrender my AZ license, though.

    The list goes on and on of things that have reproposity when it comes to things like state-issued legal documents. Once I received my HS diploma, I was recognized as having it in every state I've lived in or applied to college in since. Same with my undergraduate degree from an accredited univerisity.

    Child support is set by the state but federally recognized. The state you live in will help you collect from the NCP even if the CS order was set by a different state.

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    Those are all really good points, and much more specific than my I-can't-get-my-head-around-it argument.
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