Thread: Early/Weekend Voting and Racism

There are what, 13 million registered voters in Texas. The article you linked to cites about 50 convictions.

On the rape debate you said you were okay with 1 fetus being sacrificed to save the other 99 out of 100 currently aborted fetuses. Yet you're not willing to take the chance of 3 people out of 1,000,000 voting illegally?

Originally Posted by ethanwinfield

There are what, 13 million registered voters in Texas. The article you linked to cites about 50 convictions.

On the rape debate you said you were okay with 1 fetus being sacrificed to save the other 99 out of 100 currently aborted fetuses. Yet you're not willing to take the chance of 3 people out of 1,000,000 voting illegally?

There are only 50 convictions because it is hard to prove and hard to prosecute. That doesn't mean that it isn't a much more widespread problem than they have convictions for.

Like most voter watchdog groups, she said, her group started small. They decided to investigate voting fraud in general, not just at the polling places, and at first they weren't even sure what to look for -- and where to look for it.

“The first thing we started to do was look at houses with more than six voters in them" Engelbrecht said, because those houses were the most likely to have fraudulent registrations attached to them. "Most voting districts had 1,800 if they were Republican and 2,400 of these houses if they were Democratic . . .

"But we came across one with 24,000, and that was where we started looking."

It was Houston's poorest and predominantly black district, which has led some to accuse the group of targeting poor black areas. But Engelbrecht rejects that, saying, "It had nothing to do with politics. It was just the numbers.”

The task was overwhelming. With 1.9 million voters and 886 voting precincts, Houston’s Harris County is the second largest county in the country -- and the key to Texas elections.

The group called for help and quickly got 30 donated computers and “tens of thousands of hours” of volunteer work. And then the questions started to arise.

“Vacant lots had several voters registered on them. An eight-bed halfway house had more than 40 voters registered at its address,” Engelbrecht said. “We then decided to look at who was registering the voters."

Their work paid off. Two weeks ago the Harris County voter registrar took their work and the findings of his own investigation and handed them over to both the Texas secretary of state’s office and the Harris County district attorney.

Most of the findings focused on a group called Houston Votes, a voter registration group headed by Sean Caddle, who also worked for the Service Employees International Union before coming to Houston. Among the findings were that only 1,793 of the 25,000 registrations the group submitted appeared to be valid.

The other registrations included one of a woman who registered six times in the same day; registrations of non-citizens; so many applications from one Houston Voters collector in one day that it was deemed to be beyond human capability; and 1,597 registrations that named the same person multiple times, often with different signatures.

Read more: Citizens' Group Helps Uncover Alleged Rampant Voter Fraud in Houston | Fox News

These are registrations - not votes. There are many reasons for invalid registrations: SO forget to put his SSN on his. Won't be 18 before the election. Wrong county.

Even if we assumed they all intended to vote illegally and weren't caught at the registration level, your potental fraud is still lower than your tolerance level for acceptable level of potential abortions.

Wow, who knew someone being worried about voter fraud would cause such a strong reaction. I think all states should be looking at ways to stop voter fraud. Both parties should be looking at ways also

Originally Posted by ethanwinfield

These are registrations - not votes. There are many reasons for invalid registrations: SO forget to put his SSN on his. Won't be 18 before the election. Wrong county.

Even if we assumed they all intended to vote illegally and weren't caught at the registration level, your potental fraud is still lower than your tolerance level for acceptable level of potential abortions.

Who said that I thought 1 abortion was acceptable? I said 1 is better than 100, that does not mean I find it acceptable. If 100 abortions are legal right now and they pass a law that at least 99 of those would be illegal than that is a step in the right direction, but I would still mourn the death of that 1 child.

Originally Posted by mom3girls

Wow, who knew someone being worried about voter fraud would cause such a strong reaction. I think all states should be looking at ways to stop voter fraud. Both parties should be looking at ways also

Thats what I don't understand. Why does anyone WANT voter fraud or would not take measures to reduce it as much as possible? The only reason I can think of is to take advantage of a fraudulent system.

Originally Posted by mom3girls

Wow, who knew someone being worried about voter fraud would cause such a strong reaction. I think all states should be looking at ways to stop voter fraud. Both parties should be looking at ways also

It isn't about voter fraud. It's about keeping legitimate voters, who would generally vote Democrat, from exercising their voting rights. Just like poll taxes and literacy tests.

Thing about it: if there are 3 illegal votes cast for every 1,000,000 legitimate votes, it isn't about preventing 3 people from voting.

If 3 gun-related crimes out of a million were committed with illegal guns, trying to pass tougher gun laws or restricting access isn't about getting those 3 guns illegal guns off the street. It's about restricting gun-ownership under the guise of safety.

Originally Posted by GloriaInTX

Who said that I thought 1 abortion was acceptable? I said 1 is better than 100, that does not mean I find it acceptable. If 100 abortions are legal right now and they pass a law that at least 99 of those would be illegal than that is a step in the right direction, but I would still mourn the death of that 1 child.

You keep saying it. You are okay with 1 fetus being aborted because 99 fetuses who would otherwise be aborted won't be. You are accepting that level of a failure rate. Morning the loss doesn't negate your level of acceptance on it.

I do not think that is what she is saying. I would love for all abortions to become illegal with the exception of the life of the mother or child being in danger. However, if it is going to take 10 or 20 years for that to pass, and millions of babies are going to die in that 10 or 20 years, I am heartbroken for the 1% that are aborted due to rape. But I can not save them. Perhaps we could get the other abortions to be prevented and save millions of lives while at the same time work to get the other abortions stopped. It is not saying those abortions are ok, but saying they might take longer to stop. Lets work on what we can work on in the meanwhile.

For those that would say "But they would happen anyway only in the back alleys" (Because I know it is coming). Murder of an adult or already born child happens today. Yet we don't make it legal because it is going to happen anyway. If you believe that a not yet born baby is a real live baby, how can you see it as any different?

Originally Posted by AlyssaEimers

I do not think that is what she is saying. I would love for all abortions to become illegal with the exception of the life of the mother or child being in danger. However, if it is going to take 10 or 20 years for that to pass, and millions of babies are going to die in that 10 or 20 years, I am heartbroken for the 1% that are aborted due to rape. But I can not save them. Perhaps we could get the other abortions to be prevented and save millions of lives while at the same time work to get the other abortions stopped. It is not saying those abortions are ok, but saying they might take longer to stop. Lets work on what we can work on in the meanwhile.

For those that would say "But they would happen anyway only in the back alleys" (Because I know it is coming). Murder of an adult or already born child happens today. Yet we don't make it legal because it is going to happen anyway. If you believe that a not yet born baby is a real live baby, how can you see it as any different?

The two positions don't add up:
1. I'm not okay with 1 fetus being aborted but it will save 99 other fetuses from being aborted so that's what we can get for now.
2. I'm not okay with 3 people in 1 million voting illegally even it means 130,000 legitimate voters be denied their right to vote.