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    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/19/ny...tw-share&_r=1&

    Baby?s Latest: Going Diaperless
    By ANEMONA HARTOCOLLIS

    When Jada Shapiro decided to raise her daughter from birth without diapers, for the most part, not everyone was amused. Ms. Shapiro scattered little bowls around the house to catch her daughter?s offerings, and her sister insisted that she use a big, dark marker to mark the bowls so that they could never find their way back to the kitchen.

    ?My sister wasn?t a huge fan,? she said on Thursday.

    But ?elimination communication,? as the diaper-free method of child-rearing is called, is finding an audience in the hipper precincts of New York City.

    Ms. Shapiro, who is a doula, a birth and child-rearing coach, says it is practically now a job qualification to at least be able to offer diaper-free training as an option to clients. Caribou Baby, an ?eco-friendly maternity, baby and lifestyle store? on the border of artsy Greenpoint and Williamsburg, has been drawing capacity crowds to its diaper-free ?Meetups,? where parents exchange tips like how to get a baby to urinate on the street between parked cars.

    Parents are drawn to the method as a way of preserving the environment from the ravages of disposable diapers, as well as reducing the laundering of cloth diapers and preventing diaper rash. Many of them like the thought that they are rediscovering an ancient practice used in other cultures, though they tend to gloss over the fact that many of those cultures had never heard of Pampers. But mostly, they say, they like feeling more in touch with their babies? most intimate functions.

    ?I think for a lot of parents, the motivation is just to be more in tune with what their kids? needs are,? Adriane Stare, proprietor of Caribou Baby and herself a diaper-free mother, said on Thursday, about a week after holding her most recent meetup. Another meeting was written about on Thursday on the news Web site dnainfo.com; the next is May 14.

    Ms. Stare said she ?E.C.?d? her oldest son, Damien, who is now almost 4, and is doing it again with her second boy, Loren, who is almost 4 months old. Ms. Stare watched for cues that meant her baby needed to go to the bathroom or was going to the bathroom, like a certain cry or squirming or a grimace. Then, she began associating those cues with her own noises, like ?sss,? or grunting. After a while she could make those noises ? the elimination communication ? to the baby while holding him over the toilet or the sink for perhaps 20 seconds, and he would go to the bathroom on command or refuse if he was not ready.

    There are misses, she admits, but even cleaning up a small mess on the floor is easier, she says, than laundering diapers.

    Some pediatricians are skeptical that children under a year old are actually capable of controlling their own toileting behavior. ?I?ve certainly heard in other countries that they do toilet train babies earlier,? said Dr. Robin Jacobson, chief of outpatient pediatrics at Beth Israel Medical Center in Manhattan. ?But from what I?ve heard it?s at about a year of age, not at two months of age.?

    Toilet training, she said, is a matter of conditioning, ?just like Pavlov?s dog,? but in the United States parents begin talking about it around 18 months, with most children being potty-trained around ages 3 or even 4.

    The diaper-free mothers said it was rare for their babies to go without diapers all the time. They usually put them on at night and for trips to stores, restaurants and the like, though not necessarily for naps or going to the park, where it is easier to go on the ground or behind a tree. But their children often have been weaned of their diapers by 18 months.

    Asked whether the practice was a health hazard, Jean Weinberg, a spokeswoman for the New York City health department, said: ?Really, the only infectious disease problem at hand has to do with hand washing. Otherwise, it?s just a general sanitation issue.?

    Ms. Shapiro, a founder of Birth Day Presence, a childbirth education studio in Park Slope and SoHo, said most clients laughed when they heard about elimination communication, but one or two in every group signed up. At three weeks, her daughter could hold her bowel movements until she was put over the bowl, she said.

    ?I have absolutely been at parties and witnessed people putting their baby over the sink,? she said. One client took her baby and her bowl to a party, held her naked baby over the bowl, ?and she just did it at this person?s party in the corner, but obviously they were close friends,? Ms. Shapiro said.

    Still, even the most ardent practitioners observe some limits. ?I don?t think you can walk down Fifth Avenue and just let your baby poop on the sidewalk,? she said.
    Have you done this or would you do it? Is it sanitary? What are your thoughts?

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    Remind me not to go to any of their meet-ups.
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    Why am I having a hard time believing a 3 week old knew not to go to the bathroom until the bowl was there?

    Not for me. Baby pee and poop don't really bother me sanitation wise so that part isn't a big deal.
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    Its parent training. Not for me. I'm way too lazy and don't want my babies to poop in bowls. This also would be a pain in the butt living in our cold climate. Ick.
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    We did it for the most part with my second son. Started a week after birth. I did diaper him for naps, or if I thought I wouldn't be paying attention.. It is interesting, especially with boys.. When you take the diaper off they pee. I used that and it worked great, saved lots of diapers! We were actually better at not missing pee's when out in public though I would put a diaper on anyway.
    He did rebel a bit when teething, so I stopped for awhile. I had two I potty training at the same time though, as my boys were only 13 months apart and I didn't start potty training my first till he was 8 months old.. So yes I had potties in the front room. And the boys would go without diapers a lot in the house..I hardly had any misses. My oldest always went and sat on the toilet if he didn't have a diaper on.. My kids struggled with taking off clothes and getting over the gate.. took too long to get to our bathroom.. and onto the toilet. So having a baby potty, we used Bjorn's was great! They didn't have to worry about skills other than potty training.. like dressing and undressing etc.

    When out I used cloth, or disposables, depending on where we were going and how long.
    Oh and I hardly ever had poopy diapers.. I can't remember cleaning them much with my second son.
    Sorry for the rambling post.
    I think it is a great idea! The concept of a diaper is a new invention for the comfort of the parent. For the most part if you are doing Attached Parenting methods you can do this effectively with most children.
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    This is not an option for me, but whatever floats a parents boat. I do not think putting kids over a sink at a restaurant is an acceptable option, or pooping behind a tree though.
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    We did it for the most part with my second son. Started a week after birth. I did diaper him for naps, or if I thought I wouldn't be paying attention.. It is interesting, especially with boys.. When you take the diaper off they pee. I used that and it worked great, saved lots of diapers! We were actually better at not missing pee's when out in public though I would put a diaper on anyway.
    He did rebel a bit when teething, so I stopped for awhile. I had two I potty training at the same time though, as my boys were only 13 months apart and I didn't start potty training my first till he was 8 months old.. So yes I had potties in the front room. And the boys would go without diapers a lot in the house..I hardly had any misses. My oldest always went and sat on the toilet if he didn't have a diaper on.. My kids struggled with taking off clothes and getting over the gate.. took too long to get to our bathroom.. and onto the toilet. So having a baby potty, we used Bjorn's was great! They didn't have to worry about skills other than potty training.. like dressing and undressing etc.

    When out I used cloth, or disposables, depending on where we were going and how long.
    Oh and I hardly ever had poopy diapers.. I can't remember cleaning them much with my second son.
    Sorry for the rambling post.
    I think it is a great idea! The concept of a diaper is a new invention for the comfort of the parent. For the most part if you are doing Attached Parenting methods you can do this effectively with most children.
    DH-Aug 30th 1997 Josiah - 6/3/02 Isaac 7/31/03

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    To me it is silly and unnecessary, but I am basically of the theory "to each his own". I don't really like the idea of eliminating waste in parking lots and parks.....yuck!
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    I don't even understand buying a "potty"...I do not want to be cleaning out some container with pee or poop in it. I'll clean my babies, but not bowls or pots or buckets. Yech.
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    We have good friends that lived in China for several years after college. All three of their kids were born in China. That is what is most common there and they did not have a choice as it was very expensive to buy American diapers (They did still use them some, and people would send them from the US). I agree that it is more parent training then baby training. Although it is not what I want to do or did, if I lived in a part of the world that it was the custom, I would do my best to go with it.

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