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    Do you think it should matter that Elizabeth Warren listed herself as a minority because she possibly had some Native American blood somewhere in her background? Do you think listing herself as a minority might have helped her career?

    Democratic Senate candidate Elizabeth Warren said Thursday that she knows she has Native American ancestry because her mother told her so.

    Warren?s comments came after nearly four minutes of tense back and forth between Warren and Fox 25 reporter Sharman Sacchetti and 7News reporter Andy Hiller. As both reporters questioned Warren about why she listed herself as a minority in law directories, Warren refused to answer, saying she had already answered questions about her background.

    Finally, Warren said, ?I am proud of my family and I am proud of my heritage.?

    Hiller followed up: ?Does it include an Indian background??

    Warren replied, ?Yes.?

    ?How do you know that?? Hiller asked.

    Warren responded, ?Because my mother told me so. This is how I live. My mother, my grandmother, my family. This is my family. Scott Brown has launched attacks on my family. I am not backing off from my family.?

    The campaign of Brown, the Republican incumbent senator, has been pushing the story about Warren?s heritage, after it came out that Warren had listed herself as Native American in the Association of American Law Schools? law directory; and that both Harvard Law School and the University of Pennsylvania listed her as a minority.

    While the New England Historic Genealogical Society originally found some indication that Warren was 1/32 Cherokee through her great-great-great grandmother, it later backed off from that claim and said there is no primary document available to prove this. The Warren campaign has not provided any documentation to back up Warren?s assertions that she is Native American.

    Warren has said she listed herself as a minority in order to meet others with similar backgrounds. She also referenced a photo of her grandfather who had ?high cheekbones.?

    A poll released Wednesday night by Suffolk University found that the vast majority of voters do not think Warren?s ancestry, and whether she used it to her advantage in her career, is a significant story.
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    1/32 Cherokee? Jeez, stretching back that far I'd say a lot of us could call ourselves a 'minority'. I don't know many people these days who are of strictly creed or ethnicity stretching back for hundreds of years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Claire'sMommy View Post
    1/32 Cherokee? Jeez, stretching back that far I'd say a lot of us could call ourselves a 'minority'. I don't know many people these days who are of strictly creed or ethnicity stretching back for hundreds of years.
    Yea my Dad told me that my great great grandmother or something like that was Cherokee and I wouldn't even think of listing myself as a minority because of it to get special treatment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GloriaInTX View Post
    Yea my Dad told me that my great great grandmother or something like that was Cherokee and I wouldn't even think of listing myself as a minority because of it to get special treatment.
    Yes, my great grandfather was Roma gypsy. Um, never saw that box to tick off when it came to declaring a minority status on any of my school or govt docs, not that I would have even if it was an option! Roma aren't a very respected people, pretty much to anyone but the Roma.

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    I've been doing genealogy for twenty years and I'm always amazed at how many people claim to be Native American when they aren't. My FIL still claims that his grandmother was half Cherokee, even though we've documented that neither of her parents were Cherokee or any other Native American tribe, and we've documented that all of her grandparents (one of whom is supposedly full-blooded Cherokee) came to America from Europe. And then on my side of the family, we have the opposite situation. I have two escaped or former slaves as direct ancestors but I don't consider myself to be 1/8 or 1/16 African American. In later census records, many of my black relatives declared themselves to be white and the "black blood" became a whispered family secret that I was able to document 140 years later.

    To claim minority status for any advancement purpose, I think one should be able to prove at least one great grandparent or two G-G-grandparents, basically 1/8 of your ancestry, are of the particular minority one is claiming to be. Anything less than that might be personally significant for someone, especially if they are active in the minority group's culture, but it's not significant in any other way.
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    I don't agree with it. I think classifying yourself as minority without really belonging to that group is shady at best.

    I do have documented information of my NA heritage on my dad's side from my Canadian family. I only list it at my doctor's office in case there are risk factors.
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    I think it's much harder to claim aboriginal status in Canada. A friend of mine is 1/8 Blackfoot and to get her Indian Status card she had to produce a ton of documentation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Claire'sMommy View Post
    I think it's much harder to claim aboriginal status in Canada. A friend of mine is 1/8 Blackfoot and to get her Indian Status card she had to produce a ton of documentation.
    I think it is the same in the U.S. you have to have documentation to get a CDIB card, but some universities are not that strict about it. I think claiming Native American heritage to get preferential treatment is wrong, and I also think it is wrong for the college to count people just so their minority numbers look better. I would definitely question the integrity of someone who did this.

    Colleges approach this issue in a number of ways. Some require a Certificate of Degree of Indian Blood (CDIB), issued by the Bureau of Indian Affairs, or other type of documentation. Many, however, rely only on your self-report and may do no follow-up whatsoever to verify a claim. Last year, when I queried a Yale admission official about how they define Native Americans for admission purposes, I received this reply:

    If students check the Native American box on our application, then we send them a Native American form to complete. The form inquires about their Native American background including whether they are an enrolled member (if yes, we ask for their registration number, and we ask about their tribal affiliation). We also ask them to describe their involvement with or their ties to their native background. So, yes, we do follow up. We often get people who end up being 1/116th Native American and other times, we get people who might not be enrolled but who very much identify with their background.

    It’s not uncommon for candidates who have no enrollment number but who have demonstrated ties to a Native American heritage to still get a “hook” in the admission process.

    College that are interested in truly diversifying their student body will give the most advantage to applicants who seem to be involved with their Native American culture. Many schools, however, simply want to boast of a growing Native American student population and are willing to take your word for it and “count” you, regardless of whether or not you present written proof of your background or demonstrate active engagement.
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    I have enough of a hard time with the idea of claiming my own kids as minorities. They are a quarter Filipino..and I'm 100% certain they are.

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    Also, I received a full tuition scholarship to my college which was only for minority students based on what i filled out in my college application. I never had to 'prove' what i had claimed.

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